Can something be done about alliance raids?

[ASkellington]

I mean, this is likely going to be part of the Relic weapon grind anyway, which is only a few weeks away.
Plus there's always Moogle tomestones.

Assuming SE doesn't screw up like they did with Bozja and still adds CT like they shouldn't.

The usual variables like time of day, role, etc. don't seem to make a difference. One time it was 2am and I got in in 5 minutes (the only time it was ever under an hour), and other times I can queue at primetime and it takes over 2 hours. I can pair with a healer or go by myself as BRD/DNC at any time of day and it still takes forever. The problem is no one is available, despite so many people having all jobs at 90 and regularly doing roulettes, but purposefully forcing CT which is the problem. Literally anything that isn't CT takes forever to get into.

I mean again, I've listed 3 reasons how people can force CT (excluding doing it for the first time as mandatory) without ilvl cheese.

You can't force a person to unlock the rest of the raids if they don't want to (whether SE will change the roulette to only unlock if you have reached the required stages who knows I would welcome the change but I can also see it not happening).

A person who doesn't have the class they're leveling to at least 80 are already trying to fix that. And well, there's nothing to be done about free trial players.

And as Seraphor has said, even if we remove the ilvl cheese CT will still be heavily weighted. That said, I find it odd that you have such a hard time getting to Paradigm on prime time hours. Even on my alt SMN/SGE/SCH it took me ~24 minutes at most. Have you tried on weekends during 7-9pm EST?

[Doozer]

Assuming SE doesn't screw up like they did with Bozja and still adds CT like they shouldn't.

I mean again, I've listed 3 reasons how people can force CT (excluding doing it for the first time as mandatory) without ilvl cheese.

You can't force a person to unlock the rest of the raids if they don't want to (whether SE will change the roulette to only unlock if you have reached the required stages who knows I would welcome the change but I can also see it not happening).

A person who doesn't have the class they're leveling to at least 80 are already trying to fix that. And well, there's nothing to be done about free trial players.

And as Seraphor has said, even if we remove the ilvl cheese CT will still be heavily weighted. That said, I find it odd that you have such a hard time getting to Paradigm on prime time hours. Even on my alt SMN/SGE/SCH it took me ~24 minutes at most. Have you tried on weekends during 7-9pm EST?

I'm not sure what you seek to achieve by telling me other raids will come up more often when I know that. I'm saying that in its current state it's extremely hard to get into anything by queuing manually because so many people are purposefully getting CT. I can do trial roulette and get a wide variety of duties across all levels, but alliance raid roulettes are mostly CT. Because of this, queuing for anything but CT takes hours.

And I just said that I've queued at "primetime" aka 7-9 EST. I also already said that the variables I can change don't make a difference because of how many people that just aren't available despite fully being able to do it. Stop putting the responsibility on me and start putting it on people who alter their roulette pool or SE for allowing it to happen.

This thread got classified as not a bug report.

I didn't say it was a bug. People are misusing a game feature to gain an unfair advantage and it hurts other players' experiences by making it harder to get into other content.

[Saraide]

I'm not sure what you seek to achieve by telling me other raids will come up more often when I know that. I'm saying that in its current state it's extremely hard to get into anything by queuing manually because so many people are purposefully getting CT. I can do trial roulette and get a wide variety of duties across all levels, but alliance raid roulettes are mostly CT. Because of this, queuing for anything but CT takes hours.

And I just said that I've queued at "primetime" aka 7-9 EST. I also already said that the variables I can change don't make a difference because of how many people that just aren't available despite fully being able to do it. Stop putting the responsibility on me and start putting it on people who alter their roulette pool or SE for allowing it to happen.



I didn't say it was a bug. People are misusing a game feature to gain an unfair advantage and it hurts other players' experiences by making it harder to get into other content.

Many more trials are part of MSQ. Only CT raids are part of MSQ. How do you know so many people have unlocked nier raids? It unlocks nothing and the raid quality doesnt make up for that either.

[Doozer]

Many more trials are part of MSQ. Only CT raids are part of MSQ. How do you know so many people have unlocked nier raids? It unlocks nothing and the raid quality doesnt make up for that either.

Okay, I also get a pretty decent spread of normal raids too. What counter do you have to that?

Also no offence but I didn't really ask your opinion on whether the raid is worth doing for other people. My point was that roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for duties but when I do roulettes I get CT with no new people and when I queue for anything that isn't CT it takes hours no matter what time of day it is.

[Saraide]

Okay, I also get a pretty decent spread of normal raids too. What counter do you have to that?

Also no offence but I didn't really ask your opinion on whether the raid is worth doing for other people. My point was that roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for duties but when I do roulettes I get CT with no new people and when I queue for anything that isn't CT it takes hours no matter what time of day it is.

None of the normal raids are msq required so there is no difference between them.

None taken but people not unlocking nier raids because they dont care about them absolutely matters for your point. This isnt my opinion, that's how it is.

[Doozer]

None of the normal raids are msq required so there is no difference between them.

Exactly. I keep getting excuses about how people who don't have things unlocked, are on a job that isn't a high enough level, etc. all skew the results and yet I get an even spread of one type of duty but not alliance raids. Obviously lower level duties will come up a bit more than others but it's not helped by people who force it on purpose. There are people who load into anything that isn't CT and say "ugh this" and there's a 50/50 chance they'll just leave because it's not their favourite brain-dead raid.

With how hard you're defending it, it makes me wonder if you're one of those people, but I suppose it's not worth currently exploring.

And again, roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for things. So why does that not work in alliance raids that aren't CT? Anything above (and including) Dun Scaith takes forever. Something needs to be changed.

[Seraphor]

Exactly. I keep getting excuses about how people who don't have things unlocked, are on a job that isn't a high enough level, etc. all skew the results and yet I get an even spread of one type of duty but not alliance raids. Obviously lower level duties will come up a bit more than others but it's not helped by people who force it on purpose. There are people who load into anything that isn't CT and say "ugh this" and there's a 50/50 chance they'll just leave because it's not their favourite brain-dead raid.

With how hard you're defending it, it makes me wonder if you're one of those people, but I suppose it's not worth currently exploring.

And again, roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for things. So why does that not work in alliance raids that aren't CT? Anything above (and including) Dun Scaith takes forever. Something needs to be changed.

I don't think you understood my reasoning at all.
Alliance Raid Roulette is a perfect storm of all of these factors, and in particular when it comes to job level, it's a particularly good roulette for levelling other jobs.
Even I do it, when I'm leveling another job, I will jump into Levelling roulette, Alliance Raid roulette, and maybe MSQ roulette if I'm feeling masochistic, because they're good sources of EXP. The other roulettes I will save for my level 90 jobs, because they're better sources of tomestones. Hence Raid and Trial roulettes will tend to be more balanced in terms of level distribution.

The way duty queue seeding works, you only need to have a handful of players at a lower level, and it will prioritise filling those lower level queues. If you have 50 people queuing, and just 2 of them are below level 60, then there's a good chance it will prioritise CT for all 48 potential slots, with each of those <60 players seeding a new CT exclusive queue, depending on when they each queued.

This is not an excuse, it's math.

[Raven2014]

Okay, I also get a pretty decent spread of normal raids too. What counter do you have to that?

Oh, this is an easy one for me to answer. As someone who played on 4 characters, I avoid unlocking all the Alliance raid outside of CT, except for a couple I care about glam on all of my other chars outside of my main. At the same time, I still unlock normal raid as I go.

- If you're a long time player like me, you're mostly done with your main at this point anyway, so I don't really do roullete on my main any more.

- Working on my alt, I made sure they don't unlock the raid I don't want to get into. I suspect I'm not the only veteran doing this.

- If you're a new players, most of the time you gonna be at lower level content anyway.

None taken but people not unlocking nier raids because they dont care about them absolutely matters for your point. This isnt my opinion, that's how it is.

This person spoke the truth, you don't want to accept it won't change it. In past similar thread there were even people express "regret" of unlocking Lighthouse because they thought it was required for Borza, and as a result they never touched the Alliance roulette on that char anymore. I can assure you "avoiding unlocking Alliance raids" is a very real thing.