Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

[Kolaina]

It's an example, Kolaina, calm down please? There are peope constantly conflating stuff like plug-ins and mods are cheats. They are not. Cheats give you an immediate advantage and often are exploits. Mods can be as simple as aesthetic stuff that have no immediate bearing on gameplay. Unless your definition of cheat happens to also include "You guys can do it, PS players can't", this is what people normally refer to when they complain about the use of cheats. If anything, those are what Square Enix hunts after. Not the small fry add-ons.

...also, if you have such an issue, why don't YOU make a post clarifying this? I didn't "conveniently" leave out anything. If you have issue with it, do so yourself. Clearly I didn't say what you wanted me to say.

Everyone in this thread right now is up in arms because Stormpeaks and you are having a catfight, but the real issue is that neither of you have any chill.

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

[Mosha]

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

He left them out because I didn't mention them.

[Vrankyl]

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

It's not a strawman though. Throughout the countless threads about third party tools people have constantly misrepresented what things do simply because they don't understand them and make no attempt to understand them even when it is explained to them. Sure the line of 'act is zoom hack' is hyperbolic as I have never personally seen that phrase, but it is in line with what a lot of people have said and misinterpreted.

[Kolaina]

It's not a strawman though. Throughout the countless threads about third party tools people have constantly misrepresented what things do simply because they don't understand them and make no attempt to understand them even when it is explained to them. Sure the line of 'act is zoom hack' is hyperbolic as I have never personally seen that phrase, but it is in line with what a lot of people have said and misinterpreted.

I only asked for an example cause I was genuinely curious. Then you wanted to snap back. While I’m against mods, I am also for proper representation of what people are saying. The thing that gets gets under my skin most is when people lie of change what someone else has said, or give misrepresentation and bad info so a conversation can’t properly proceed.

[Midareyukki]

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

How was what they said not calm? Because they asked for a quote? Y'all really are something. Goes back to what I said earlier, I suppose.

Ah buttlicking. My favourite.

Yes, I am telling you to calm down. Because I'm not expected to mention every single thing YOU come up with. The claim, the proof? Dude, you've been in this thread for longer than I have. There are other threads on this. I certainly have been replying to people that DO confuse the terms. I didn't expect that to be put into question. Why are you now calling people crap just because they didn't say what you wanted verbatim?

The quote? That's an example, it doesn't mean it actually happens.

You want an actual example? OP's post.
Title:

Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

The actual post:

It takes 2-3 seconds of scrolling too see multiple people streaming with ACT and various other plugins.

ACT is not cheating.

I'm not twisting things. But I'm pretty certain YOU are, considering you wanted me to say more than I did and still haven't clarified on it yourself. Now, please, get the heck off my back and stop calling people liars just because they don't march to your tune?

You and Stormpeaks are really one of a kind.

Now, you can argue whether or not it's cheating. Mosha certainly wanted to refer to that. I don't care. If anything I say in this thread is just to be thrown at my face in such a disgusting manner, Kolaina, then I'm not gonna be here to see it. Goodbye.

[Mosha]

I only asked for an example cause I was genuinely curious. Then you wanted to snap back. While I’m against mods, I am also for proper representation of what people are saying. The thing that gets gets under my skin most is when people lie of change what someone else has said, or give misrepresentation and bad info so a conversation can’t properly proceed.

He was just adding context to the 3 examples I gave, then you went "WhAt AbOuT tHiS RaNdom AdDoN? If was left out because it wasn't brought up.

[Ardeth]

Addons don't automatically mean you're cheating. It is against the ToS, sure, but I don't think witch hunting people is right either.

[4clubbedace]

Ill be real, i dont really care what other people are doing, cheating or not. Obsessing over what people are doing is weird too.

[NightHour]

Why does square enix not just blanket ban them all to enforce the point that 3rd party programs are not allowed.

It takes 2-3 seconds of scrolling too see multiple people streaming with ACT and various other plugins.

The playerbase will not learn unless they enforce the rules.

Set an example.

ACT itself isn't a "cheat" it doesn't alter your gameplay or give you any tangible advantages over other players.


It's the plugins for ACT that are "cheating" such as Cactbot or Triggernometry which aren't developed or maintained by the developer of ACT.



Kind of things I consider cheats are Speed/Zoom/Teleport hacks, Cactbot, Triggernometry and tools/plugins that draw mechanic hitboxes on your screen

[Mcg55ss]

ACT is not cheating

I mean does it give you a advantage- no,is it in violation of TOS -yes, can you be suspended or banned for using it -yes so depends on how you want to define cheating though really. Some see it as gaining a edge over others like the zoom hack incident - did it give them a advantage yes they were 2 days ahead of everyone else. Some people view violating TOS as a for of cheating no matter how small the incident. In the end though if SE wants they can ban you for using it so they created it I can abide by their wishes