Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

[Raoabolic]

I don't know how diverse the forums are, but I do know some topics have had e-wars fought over them for years on here. People are certainly very.... passionate, we'll say, about their opinions on here.

WHERE. IS. MY. LORDS. OF. VERMILLION. UPDATE?!

[Absimiliard]

WHERE. IS. MY. LORDS. OF. VERMILLION. UPDATE?!

The same place as Highlander eyebrows, I would imagine - the void.

[Mosha]

I also said I raided in the past in FFXIV. I also have raid leadership experience in general.

You don't need to be a present FFXIV raider to have an opinion on cheating against the TOS, what raiding means to you and whether cheating has a place in it, or what you would expect from a leader in regards to communication.

If the topic was specific to mechanics of a current raid, maybe you'd have a point. You were gatekeeping pure and simple because you disagreed. When a CURRENT raider said they agreed with me, you were just like "oh since you raid today that's cool." For saying the same exact thing. *eyeroll*

yeah, I am gatekeeping, what about it? as I said I'll respect someone's opinion on a topic more if they are active with the subject. there nothing wrong with that.

[Midareyukki]

I don't know how diverse the forums are, but I do know some topics have had e-wars fought over them for years on here. People are certainly very.... passionate, we'll say, about their opinions on here.

I just want male characters to not have ken doll anatomy :c

And butt sliders.

[ZephyrMenodora]

yeah, I am gatekeeping, what about it? as I said I'll respect someone's opinion on a topic more if they are active with the subject. there nothing wrong with that.

And well, I don't think the topic is one you need to currently raid to have an opinion on. Nothing about the topic is unique to the present raid tier whatsoever. The topic overall was leadership and consequences for a leader making a decision, something I'm extremely well versed in. Even if I'm not, it's not a topic you need unique specific encounter experience to evaluate.

You also had no response when a current raider agreed with me. Why did they agree? Because what I said was sensible and I didn't need to do current Savage to understand the topic.

You brought nothing to the table but an attempt to gatekeep me specifically. Plenty of people in the thread are not active savage raiders with mounts. So what? It's not needed to discuss the topic.

[Mosha]

And well, I don't think the topic is one you need to currently raid to have an opinion on. Nothing about the topic is unique to the present raid tier whatsoever. The topic overall was leadership and consequences for a leader making a decision, something I'm extremely well versed in. Even if I'm not, it's not a topic you need unique specific encounter experience to evaluate.

You also had no response when a current raider agreed with me. Why did they agree? Because what I said was sensible and I didn't need to do current Savage to understand the topic.

and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

[ZephyrMenodora]

and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

And that's a fair point if the topic was discussing whether something specific is a cheat. I don't think every add on is a cheat, maybe some people do. I do agree with you that there are nuances for sure. Though, I'm sure the community as a whole probably can argue all day about which add ons rise to the level of cheating and which ones don't, and probably have lol.

[Mosha]

And that's a fair point if the topic was discussing whether something specific is a cheat. I don't think every add on is a cheat, maybe some people do. I do agree with you that there are nuances for sure. Though, I'm sure the community as a whole probably can argue all day about which add ons rise to the level of cheating and which ones don't, and probably have lol.

tbf you did get both barrels of my frustrations and for that, I do apologise and yeah the whole 3rd party tools vs cheating discourse with go on till the end of time

[Midareyukki]

and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

To clarify for people who don't know what these do:

• XIV Alexander is a tool that allows several different add-ons and modifications. The most common use of it is to reduce input lag, often caused by high ping, allowing you to consistently weave OGCDs without clipping. This is especially good for stuff like MCH, GNB and DRG who are known for double-weaving skills. But it can also allow you to change fonts and even tack on a translation for the game in your language to help with people with language barriers (for example, ever noticed there isn't a Spanish translation despite Spanish being a widely-spoken language? There you have it.)
• ACT is what enables parses. What parses do is see how much numbers you deal in a fight and add them up for you instantly and comprehensively. This information is all in the Battle Chat Log, but no sane person would use excel to calculate an entire chat log. ACT does it automatically and live, through reading information to and from the server directly. That's all it does: just shows you numbers.
• Cactbot on the other hand is a plug-in that is then tacked onto ACT, allowing you to have live call-outs for the fight. Several people do consider this cheating, because it reads fight information and can resolve mechanics for you. Others don't, because the call-outs it gives are 90% obvious, and barring specific mechanics where it DOES bypass the mental challenge altogether, the call-outs still require you to know how to resolve the mechanic and really only remind you that a mechanic is coming. Some people also consider this to be no different than your raid leader doing call-outs on Discord calls, but it does have extra benefits that your raid leader would not be doing, as it's far more personal.

There are other plug-ins, of course. But hey, now you know what they do and won't be saying something daft like how "ACT enables zoomhacks".

Source: Google is free.

[Themarvin]

Actually I think Yoshi P. should stand to his view on it all and enforce it once and for all, maybe people don't like it, but also we had a time in gaming where stuff like this was none existent.

And uhm... stop refering to calling any of this for E-Sport.... you fight against scripts and pre-set things against the computer, not an actual opponent.