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  1. #41
    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Agreed. But as I just said in another reply, there will never be a perfect solution. As far as new FCs being locked out, I would hope that the FC only wards are protected to some degree to prevent that from happening. To be fair, I don't think private only wards should even exist. I think it should be hybird OR FC. But that's another topic. As far as a solution to new FCs being locked out-- on my server I have noticed that demolishing has opened up some availability per bidding round. Maybe new FCs could get some kind of priority queue based on new availability that happens in the middle of a bidding period instead of shuffling those new lots directly to bidders. And you may say "Well then all the new plots that open up will go to FCs" -- ok. Well at least then every ward will be full and everyone will have fair shot. At worst, both new FCs and private buyers will be waiting in that case.

    This issue I have with several posts going on is you guys are relying on a theoretical that we are not observing currently. And no, no solution will be perfect because there are too many private buyers. Hence why I am suggesting why don't we figure out some way to get more private buyers in houses and then, as I said, worry about who is waiting. It doesn't matter if it's 5% or 10% more private buying opportunity, any % is better than current despite the fact new lots will be filled faster than we can blink.
    Except fcs SHOULD have priority because they have more players than personal housing, private buyers should wait, not fcs, private buyers are one person, fcs are multiple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    It already is balanced in favor of private buyers, the fc wards are only 7 (1 to 6) and ward 30 for fc only, that makes it 7 wards out of 30 are fc only, the rest is hybrid or personal only. And as the post you quoted said, those houses will fill in a single round, it's not a solution.
    That's because they already converted a whole lot of those FC-only wards to allow private buyers as well, because there weren't any FCs buying those plots after months. When Empyreum released 18 out of 24 wards were FC only, this was retroactively applied to all housing districts and then had to be changed again, turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.

    It also just gave rise to a massive amount of 1 person FCs because why would I compete with 30+ people per private plot when I can just make an FC and easily get one in the exclusive wards?
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 02-19-2023 at 09:42 PM.

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    That's because they already converted a whole lot of those FC-only wards to allow private buyers as well, because there weren't any FCs buying those plots after months. When Empyreum released 18 out of 24 wards were FC only, this was retroactively applied to all housing districts and then had to be changed again, turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.

    It also just gave rise to a massive amount of 1 person FCs because why would I compete with 30+ people per private plot when I can just make an FC and easily get one in the exclusive wards?
    In a way, we can see this as an effort made by the developers to "encourage" social interactions between players through the need for more FCs to be made
    At least that's one way of looking at the problem...

    I think they should have created instanced housing within the island. The island area is already instantiated anyway and would at least partially reduce this problem. But, I think they will continue to encourage social interactions by forcing people to have FCs before they have houses xD (yep, i'm just kidding). I really can't see how and what they could do to fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    I "defend" FC only wards ? What ?

    All I said is that it's nice to not have wards be overloaded with paissas carbuncles chocobos and gingerbreads, and not opening to personal does just that, apparently you took it to heart for some reason, not sure what to tell you
    My FC on Excalibur had a Moogle house for a very long time.

    Large one, too.

    FCs are not immune to goofy houses. Mine's the florist shop.
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    I think this is something the team would have to look at individually, world by world rather than a sweeping game change.
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    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    My FC on Excalibur had a Moogle house for a very long time.

    Large one, too.

    FCs are not immune to goofy houses. Mine's the florist shop.
    The florist shop one is very cute though especially in LB,but it also fits in other areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    The florist shop one is very cute though especially in LB,but it also fits in other areas.
    It's in Shiro.

    And if you want to go on about houses, the bright cherry pink Shiro houses in Empy are tackier than even the paissa house to me.

    That said, I'm using the new bathhouse walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.
    That want a small plot. Considering my neighbor is sitting on a personal large that he does nothing with (said he got it just because he could), I am cool with FCs having a bit of protection for a few months until things balance out. There are so many indiv buyers out there. Of course I am also on Mateus, so empty wards on other DCs leave me gobsmacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winter_rose View Post
    That want a small plot. Considering my neighbor is sitting on a personal large that he does nothing with (said he got it just because he could), I am cool with FCs having a bit of protection for a few months until things balance out. There are so many indiv buyers out there. Of course I am also on Mateus, so empty wards on other DCs leave me gobsmacked.
    Then they should make wards with special, different restrictions, with only medium and large houses that are restricted to FCs only.

    One per account per server. I'd go so far as restrict to so that those with multiple accounts can't do it.

    FC must have X amount of people in it. X being subjective, but definitely not 4 low level alts.

    Anything to prevent people from hogging the entire ward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Then they should make wards with special, different restrictions, with only medium and large houses that are restricted to FCs only.

    One per account per server. I'd go so far as restrict to so that those with multiple accounts can't do it.

    FC must have X amount of people in it. X being subjective, but definitely not 4 low level alts.

    Anything to prevent people from hogging the entire ward.
    People who don't want to be in a large FC shouldn't be punished for that nor should they be forced to socialize with people they don't want to for the sake of a house. People who suggest this just bring jealousy as a motivator to my mind since it feels like they want everyone else to be in the same boat as them since they cant/won't leave their own FC. People who have a small friend group have the same right to own a house as those with a large one.

    Also, I had a thought. If we drop ward restrictions, wouldn't the problem just be worse since instead of only having private buyers in one ward and FC buyers in another, you'd have both colliding to bid on houses in the same ward, i.e. providing more competition?
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 02-28-2023 at 08:37 PM.

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