Just like FFXI, make all Artifact armor wearable by all classes

[Atelier-Bagur]

...so uh... 2 things off the bat

1 - Why are you this salty that someone called you out that you're willing to pick on a completely different subject just to provoke them? ...are you serious? Literally what's the stick that's jammed up your behind, because I'd call a proctologist by this point... I refuse to engage in your silly comparison. Please grow up. Sure, that topic may be childish to you and all that, but you're right now acting even worse.

2 - If you can acknowledge that this is text, then I reiterate:


You cannot now pikachu-face people and be like "I wasn't irritated", when it's coming across as you being irritated. Make up your mind and take your own advice, please.
I'm simply telling you "Hey, this is why people are thinking you're irritated, consider another avenue". But no, you decide to be so salty and bring up that topic...

Look at yourself for a minute here. No one was against you. I certainly wasn't, I was just saying "Ok, calm down, the point is this thing he said, and this is what he meant. Also if you don't realize you're coming across as agitated, then here is where you're getting people to think you are". You are proving to me that no, you are very much irritated. One can tell from how needlessly caustic you're being.

As for the actual topic...

No one ever said his points had to be good. You disagree? Well, say you disagree. And so far you have stated it, rather plainly. But you're the one throwing accusations and not letting people speak. If you're going to disagree, at least be rational about it and try to understand where they're coming from. Without being caustic. Yes?

I give up at this point. You clearly have missed everything Ive said and only care to focus on how one says things rather than actually discussing the topic.

[Midareyukki]

And what makes you the moral arbitor jumping in a 1 vs 3? Let me guess, your cute discord group you guys got going? Lmao. Better see yourself off.

Me and my massive high horse are eating rather well, thanks.

[Renalt]

This is for everyone...

https://youtu.be/AJAwOlEz5ws

[Zebraoracle]

You do realize we're all talking in text and its never fully known the context and tone behind somebody's post without hearing it right? Its not my fault if you somehow mistake somebody's post into something else. Heck Ive even made a joke post about this sort of thing with another poster on another thread highlighting this issue.

Anyway Ive already read what was said but that still doesnt necessarily make his points good. AF indeed is based on the specific role but if we're trying to cement the argument for lifting glamour restriction we cant just decide to lock these specific sets away from it, since the whole basis of the debate is that many glamour pieces can work well with building your own specific job glamours. Its just being annoying at this point if they do it like that, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this is the case with some pieces in AF armors that could work well with other jobs. This argument is an all or nothing deal, so we're treating it as such. So yes, indeed he is cherry picking and in my opinion, I feel its the wrong mindset to have in a MMO where people always strive for allowing more options for people available.

This argument can be turned against Hroths like yourselves too. How do you feel when people start saying things like "Oh Hroths should have all these hairstyles.....except these ones because they're tied to that race somehow". Same thing here

I mean, I'm all for racial specific hair and other cosmetic options that add more customization to add uniqueness to each race, as long as the available options, hair for this example, give a decent amount of options.

This is just my preference, man. If you disagree that's fine, we can disagree with each other and have our own preferences. I don't see why this ABSOLUTEY HAS to be an all or nothing subject. My reasoning makes sense to me, and if it doesn't to you then oh well, I think we'll both survive.

And what makes you the moral arbitor jumping in a 1 vs 3? Let me guess, your cute discord group you guys got going? Lmao. Better see yourself off.

Roe doesn't come across as aggressive one bit, especially considering he's trying to explain his position against multiple naysayers that are not even trying to argue beyond 'lawl na, SE will never do this'.

Let's derail this topic as well, like you guys usually do. Whatever.

You mean the discord that's pretty open for people to join so we can have fun outside of the board and not be limited by the stupid message limit? Lol this isn't the gotcha you think it is, man. It's not some "super secret club". But go off, I guess, accusing people of derailing the thread when you're doing it yourself.

[ZephyrMenodora]

And what makes you the moral arbitor jumping in a 1 vs 3? Let me guess, your cute discord group you guys got going? Lmao. Better see yourself off.

Roe doesn't come across as aggressive one bit, especially considering he's trying to explain his position against multiple naysayers that are not even trying to argue beyond 'lawl na, SE will never do this'.

Let's derail this topic as well, like you guys usually do. Whatever.

Well, some of us didn't stop at "lawl na SE will never do this." We are contemplating the reasons WHY SE made this the policy, and why they will never do this.

But, the "gimme" crowd can't stop and see other people's points of view, including that of the devs in why they made these exclusive to begin with. So, they deduce the entire discussion so they can dismiss arguments and points they disagree with without having to display an ounce of reasoning or thought like you just did here.

[Hoehenflug]

Whatever man. I couldn't care less about y'alls highschool drama in every single topic.

So scarrrry. Booooooo.

[LordMcMutton]

But, the "gimme" crowd can't stop and see other people's points of view

I'm not sure this is a point you can actually make, given that the argument you're making is also a "gimme", but one revolving around "gimme immersion/strict job fantasy at the cost of player expression"

This is something that falls into "If you don't like it, don't do it"

[ZephyrMenodora]

I'm not sure this is a point you can actually make, given that the argument you're making is also a "gimme", but one revolving around "gimme immersion/strict job fantasy at the cost of player expression"

This is something that falls into "If you don't like it, don't do it"

I'm not asking for anything - I like the game as it is now and support the Devs on the work they already completed and decisions they already made on this topic. I'm not asking the Devs to do work for my request, and I'm not looking to take something away from others to cater to my whims and demands - exclusivity on a small number of artifact armor sets.

I also completely understand the request, I just disagree. I can also empathize, something the other side appears unable to do - given I often wanted to glam a Paladin-only crown on my other tanks. I still think exclusive artifact gear trumps my or anyone's desire to glam anything and everything they want to whatever piece of gear they want.

[Skivvy]

Well, some of us didn't stop at "lawl na SE will never do this." We are contemplating the reasons WHY SE made this the policy, and why they will never do this.

But, the "gimme" crowd can't stop and see other people's points of view, including that of the devs in why they made these exclusive to begin with. So, they deduce the entire discussion so they can dismiss arguments and points they disagree with without having to display an ounce of reasoning or thought like you just did here.

If you're going to bash people for their debate tactics, I recommend not claiming to know what SE will do with their game. Speculation is all fine and dandy, but they very well may go the way of XI and eventually unlock all items for glamour. We simply don't know.

[ZephyrMenodora]

If you're going to bash people for their debate tactics, I recommend not claiming to know what SE will do with their game. Speculation is all fine and dandy, but they very well may go the way of XI and eventually unlock all items for glamour. We simply don't know.

Someone already stated that Yoshi P answered this question and said this won't change. I don't know why you don't believe him other than wishful thinking and "it could happen." It's also been almost a decade of these being locked...so...it's safe to assume it's not changing between the two.

Also, I never said I knew what SE would do - so maybe you confused me with someone else. I almost never speak in absolutes. That said, given Yoshi P spoke on the topic and nothing has changed, it's safe to assume nothing will until he states otherwise.