Just like FFXI, make all Artifact armor wearable by all classes

[True-to-Caesar]

If anything's a bad joke, it's these threads constantly asking for what they can't or won't deliver. You can point to your favorite example, but it's always a lvl all job, where the other stuff has actual stats. That's enough for me to accept that it's outside the realm of possibility, but oh "that game did it and programming is a magic of infinite possibilities, so we must be able to have x"

They actually can do it. They just don’t do it but do everything they can to contradict themselves with the «preserve job identity» while having clothing glams for Fending/Maiming and heavy armor glams for the others, not speaking of the usual goofy glams.

It’s right to make these threads, similar to housing, because it’s just bad design decisions and the solutions are not super complex either.

Yawn. Your argument remains weak and you didn't address my point at all. You picked purposely obscure pieces that while complete a look, are not the primary component of it. Try again with a Paladin's shining breastplate. A Summoner's Horn. A White Mages robe. A Dragoon's helm.

Be fair, and keep the outfits acutally together and not photos of icons from the inventory screen. What class is this?

Let’s play your game, and note I’m not even trying much.

What’s the job here ?







You call others’ arguments «weak» while yours doesn’t even stand on its legs…
And there are many other pieces of gear aswell, Gaia’s hammer on the cash shop is another example, where’s your job identity there ?? There’s nothing «obscure» about it.

Just look at the latest 90 dungeon, they literally just swapped the OG sets between jobs, did a quick recolor and called it a day. Where’s your job identity again ? Ah right, only when it suits you while everyone is already running healers with heavy armors and tanks with Beach outfits. There would be 0 genuine issues with removing job gear restrictions for glamour purposes only.

Lots of bad faith from the nay sayers. Some honesty wouldn’t hurt.

[Zebraoracle]

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I... don't think this is quite the gotcha you think it is. In fact, it seems like you missed the point the person you replied to was making, considering that poster was arguing for the job identity of artifact gear and you're arguing for job identity of... job-less gear? If anything, your argument works for unlocking all non-artifact gear for glams for all jobs, which IMO they absolutely should, but leave artifact gear alone.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I... don't think this is quite the gotcha you think it is. In fact, it seems like you missed the point the person you replied to was making, considering that poster was arguing for the job identity of artifact gear and you're arguing for job identity of... job-less gear? If anything, your argument works for unlocking all non-artifact gear for glams for all jobs, which IMO they absolutely should, but leave artifact gear alone.

What kind of cherry picking is this? Have all armor glam unlocked minus artifact gear? No, especially artifact gear, Ive already stated this multiple times but many of the artifact gear pieces can also go well with other jobs, just like every other gear piece in this game. You do realize the whole point for glam unlock is actually more in favor for people to fully customize their fantasy lore friendly glams more so than meme glams which are nothing but filled with modern, goofy gear pieces that already exist in this game?

[Zebraoracle]

What kind of cherry picking is this? Have all armor glam unlocked minus artifact gear? No, especially artifact gear, Ive already stated this multiple times but many of the artifact gear pieces can also go well with other jobs, just like every other gear piece in this game. You do realize the whole point for glam unlock is actually more in favor for people to fully customize their fantasy lore friendly glams more so than meme glams which are nothing but filled with modern, goofy gear pieces that already exist in this game?

I don't even know where I cherry picked, as you said. I have no issue whatsoever with any non-AF gear being available for whatever job to create whatever look, I personally view the AF gear as special, like the job's weapons, and I personally would prefer them to be left job restricted. If this irritates you so much, which it apparently does judging by how aggro you got over it, I'd suggest you take a step back from the forum for a minute.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't even know where I cherry picked, as you said. I have no issue whatsoever with any non-AF gear being available for whatever job to create whatever look, I personally view the AF gear as special, like the job's weapons, and I personally would prefer them to be left job restricted. If this irritates you so much, which it apparently does judging by how aggro you got over it, I'd suggest you take a step back from the forum for a minute.

Im not irritated, I just dont necessarily agree with your stance because you allow almost everything....cept this one thing? Even though the whole argument is that unique class fantasy has already thrown out the window with a lot of in-game armors anyway. Your point makes no sense really.

[Midareyukki]

Im not irritated, I just dont necessarily agree with your stance because you allow almost everything....cept this one thing? Even though the whole argument is that unique class fantasy has already thrown out the window with a lot of in-game armors anyway. Your point makes no sense really.

You do realize starting out with "You're cherrypicking" and "what kind of argument is this? it makes no sense!" makes you look aggressive, yes?

You could have just asked "Wait, why do you support removing the lock if job identity isn't an issue, but you keep the lock on the AF gear?"

And he just told you as much. It's not that complicated when you actually stop and read:

I personally view the AF gear as special, like the job's weapons, and I personally would prefer them to be left job restricted

As in, the other gear has no meaning to the class or role, it doesn't HAVE to be locked.

AF gear, on the other hand, is there to specifically represent that class or role, and thus he prefers it locked.

It's not cherrypicking. He stated why on the post you just quoted. His point only doesn't make sense to you. Whether you agree with it or not though? That's entirely up to you, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Just means you disagree, have different opinions on the matter and different outlooks.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You do realize starting out with "You're cherrypicking" and "what kind of argument is this? it makes no sense!" makes you look aggressive, yes?

You could have just asked "Wait, why do you support removing the lock if job identity isn't an issue, but you keep the lock on the AF gear?"

And he just told you as much. It's not that complicated when you actually stop and read:


As in, the other gear has no meaning to the class or role, it doesn't HAVE to be locked.

AF gear, on the other hand, is there to specifically represent that class or role, and thus he prefers it locked.

It's not cherrypicking. He stated why on the post you just quoted. His point only doesn't make sense to you. Whether you agree with it or not though? That's entirely up to you, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Just means you disagree, have different opinions on the matter and different outlooks.

You do realize we're all talking in text and its never fully known the context and tone behind somebody's post without hearing it right? Its not my fault if you somehow mistake somebody's post into something else. Heck Ive even made a joke post about this sort of thing with another poster on another thread highlighting this issue.

Anyway Ive already read what was said but that still doesnt necessarily make his points good. AF indeed is based on the specific role but if we're trying to cement the argument for lifting glamour restriction we cant just decide to lock these specific sets away from it, since the whole basis of the debate is that many glamour pieces can work well with building your own specific job glamours. Its just being annoying at this point if they do it like that, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this is the case with some pieces in AF armors that could work well with other jobs. This argument is an all or nothing deal, so we're treating it as such. So yes, indeed he is cherry picking and in my opinion, I feel its the wrong mindset to have in a MMO where people always strive for allowing more options for people available.

This argument can be turned against Hroths like yourselves too. How do you feel when people start saying things like "Oh Hroths should have all these hairstyles.....except these ones because they're tied to that race somehow". Same thing here

[Zebraoracle]

Im not irritated, I just dont necessarily agree with your stance because you allow almost everything....cept this one thing? Even though the whole argument is that unique class fantasy has already thrown out the window with a lot of in-game armors anyway. Your point makes no sense really.

If you're not irritated then okay, but boy howdy you came across pretty aggro and I was completely caught by surprise because I didn't think I said anything that warranted such a response. ANYWAYS

I understand what y'all are arguing for. My point is, like I said, I view the AF gear as a very small set of special gear that I personally like being job restricted because it literally carries the look and essence of a specific job. There being other options in the vast sea of options that "throw class fantasy out the window" doesn't suddenly make the AF pieces not carry job identity. In fact, I'm ALL FOR these other armor sets for people that want other sort of themes (ie I like going for a more traditional cleric look for my white mage glam, which the white mage AF gear does NOT bring, but I'm able to enact with the radiant healing chestpiece). I'm ALL FOR options for everyone, EXCEPT in this one very niche, specialized circumstance.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I... don't think this is quite the gotcha you think it is. In fact, it seems like you missed the point the person you replied to was making, considering that poster was arguing for the job identity of artifact gear and you're arguing for job identity of... job-less gear? If anything, your argument works for unlocking all non-artifact gear for glams for all jobs, which IMO they absolutely should, but leave artifact gear alone.

It wasn't indeed, but the mindless upvote brigade for people who want no restrictions on gear showed up without any critical thinking whatsoever lol.

Fortunately the devs seem to appreciate the sanctity of Artifact gear, so I have little fear that fingers typing into the wind will change much here.