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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    From the inscription in the Omphalos, revealed in the quests after you clear Euphrosyne and visit the monuments.
    Oh that explains it, I haven't done the after-alliance quests yet.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    From the inscription in the Omphalos, revealed in the quests after you clear Euphrosyne and visit the monuments.
    Which leaves us questioning who the last boss actually is. They could throw a curve ball shocker at us by it turning out to be Louisuix (with him turning out to have been the Sundered version of their creator), or just randomly make up a person on the spot to be the one we fight. Or maybe even having us fight their "caretaker." Middy 3.0 anybody?
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Which leaves us questioning who the last boss actually is. They could throw a curve ball shocker at us by it turning out to be Louisuix (with him turning out to have been the Sundered version of their creator), or just randomly make up a person on the spot to be the one we fight. Or maybe even having us fight their "caretaker." Middy 3.0 anybody?
    Overseer might be a better term. Sokles or their replacement?
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Which leaves us questioning who the last boss actually is. They could throw a curve ball shocker at us by it turning out to be Louisuix (with him turning out to have been the Sundered version of their creator), or just randomly make up a person on the spot to be the one we fight. Or maybe even having us fight their "caretaker." Middy 3.0 anybody?

    Something occured to me, but Louisoix Leveilleur did not appear in The Aitiascope and he was a important character of that group!
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    Something occured to me, but Louisoix Leveilleur did not appear in The Aitiascope and he was a important character of that group!
    I have thought about that before, because it would have made more sense for him to be the final guiding spirit instead of semi-resurrecting Minfilia (as a plot element if not physically) just to send her off yet again.

    I think it's quite likely that they wanted to include him, but the optional nature of the Binding Coil storyline means that his soul is still potentially stranded there in Bahamut's thrall.

    I would speculate that perhaps they got as far as putting him in that role, realising they couldn't use him that way, and hastily roping in Minfilia instead – thus the seemingly unnecessary business of pulling her back again after she'd had such a final send-off in Shadowbringers with F'lhaminn's sidequest.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    The game treats everything as canon and done before (to an extent). Which is why Louisoix could appear. Krile and G'raha Tia are there, neither of whom met Louisuix. So the Coil stuff could easily be an extra line or two if you've done them, else you don't get that dialogue.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The game treats everything as canon and done before (to an extent). Which is why Louisoix could appear. Krile and G'raha Tia are there, neither of whom met Louisuix. So the Coil stuff could easily be an extra line or two if you've done them, else you don't get that dialogue.
    That is not how it works. If a sidequest changes the state that a character is in, then the MSQ alters dialogue to reflect the current state of affairs. If it cannot be covered with dialogue, it gets left out.

    If a player has not done Binding Coil, there is a long-standing precedent that Alisaie's comments change to reflect our current completion state. If we left it unfinished, she says it is unfinished. If it's unfinished, then Louisoix's soul cannot be found in the Lifestream.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That is not how it works. If a sidequest changes the state that a character is in, then the MSQ alters dialogue to reflect the current state of affairs. If it cannot be covered with dialogue, it gets left out.

    If a player has not done Binding Coil, there is a long-standing precedent that Alisaie's comments change to reflect our current completion state. If we left it unfinished, she says it is unfinished. If it's unfinished, then Louisoix's soul cannot be found in the Lifestream.
    Iscah's right. Back before the Crystal Tower wasn't mandatory, the SHB MSQ reacted accordingly if you hadn't cleared it.

    Same goes for EW's comments on Bozja or Dun Scaith when those NPCs show up, as well as the Omega quests and finishing Eureka (especially when Krile comments on Tsunjika's fate). The MSQ does acknowledge the content existing, but reacts to whether or not you've gone through it.
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