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  1. #21
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    Striker44's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    It comes down to "what is content"?

    I still have so much in this game to do, a lot of it centered around long grinds and farming achievements, but I understand that not everyone wants to do pointless grinds for glittery things.

    I finally cleared Baldesian Arsenal last night. I just finished some four year old content, woo! Oh wait I'm not finished, since I still haven't actually finished a Eureka weapon yet. Time to throw myself back into that same four year old content and do it again.

    I understand that some folks only view current level content as worth doing, but with such an enormous backlog of achievements to work through, I can see why SE doesn't view it as a problem. People who want to keep playing this game in particular will find things to do. People who don't want to do those things can play a different game.
    This is my experience. I enjoy the content "droughts" because for me it just means time to go back and do the plethora of things I want to do but just never found the time to yet. I play only a few hours a week usually between life/career commitments and other games, so I end up taking my sweet time going through new content. I frankly don't need more of it. I just finished the latest MSQ yesterday, and I still haven't completed the new Alliance Raid questline (did the raid, but not the post-raid quests). I haven't even touched IS yet, nor Criterion dungeons, and still have a few paths left on the Variant dungeon. And that's just EW. Getting my last ARR Relic Weapon (Ninja), Sightseeing Log, crafting classes, the list goes on.

    They also can't get a lot of things right. Criterion is not mythic+ and it's almost dead content, while Mythic+ was a big success. Island Sanctuary is dead 2 min a day content. Expert crafts this patch flopped. The team just isn't as good at making games as they were.
    Frankly, I'm still having a ton of fun, and for me, the team is at their best right on par with ShB. M+ wasn't a "big success"...it gives the illusion of one, but it's probably the single biggest reason WoW destroyed most of its playerbase. It's what altered the game from a casual and family-friendly MMO to the toxic cesspool it's become. I'm beyond glad that Criterion didn't try to be M+.
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  2. #22
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    The team is doing very well at making the content they have been asked to. It's not like they aren't capable of making it like Stormblood.

    They just have decided in meetings not to do that because certain content like Eureka was met with complaints from casual players who wanted content to be more casual, and there were large gaps in player performance (most obviously with some tanks using tank stance always and other tanks using dps stance always).

    So we moved from Eureka to Bozja that was doable in a day, with optional grinds if you wanted to stay longer such as field notes, mounts and cluster farms and this is the sort of model we got for content now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I'm beyond glad that Criterion didn't try to be M+.
    It was deliberately put out of sight of people who aren't looking for it as well. It has its own user interface far away from the Duty Finder and it's behind its own level 90 sidequest that some people might not even ever unlock. It allows people who don't want to live in a world of challenging content to completely avoid it as if it doesn't exist.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

  3. #23
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    Cid Heiral
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    There are a million things to do in the game that you could work on between patches. You may run out of things that you personally are interested in, and that's ok, just go play something else until the next patch. It's impossible for the devs to provide endless content for everyone.
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  4. #24
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    There are a million things to do in the game that you could work on between patches. You may run out of things that you personally are interested in, and that's ok, just go play something else until the next patch. It's impossible for the devs to provide endless content for everyone.
    Healthy take I'd say. Many of us do this n it works perfectly
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    Last edited by IkaraGreydancer; 02-13-2023 at 12:01 PM.

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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    This. The relic quest should start in X.05 with a light intro and starter weapon and every step after that in X.15, X,25, X.35, X.45 and X.55 should be grindy.
    I fully agree and support this position, if the relic was similar to the ARR or HW relics, we would have plenty to keep us busy. As it stands now, the relics are only BIS in the final patch and mostly glamours. I do not like how they are starting the relics for the last two patches with an entire patch cycle set where you simply buy it with tomes. I can grind all the tomes I need in a few casual days and then I am done. We need more content that lingers and while I hoped that the island would have been more interesting, for me, I really fell out doing it because I do not like stock market simulator.

    Content drought wise, this is for me, the worst I have ever seen it and I have been here since the launch of ARR. If it was not for my static or my house, I would have fully gone into hibernation until the 6.5 patch. For some reason, the content that we have been getting since 6.0 has felt really watered down. Deep down, I think it was a mistake to wrap up the story in 6.0 instead of 6.3 but here we are, in a drought with only drops of content to keep us alive.

    Maybe the relic will save us... maybe...
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Wackiest take ever: One item grind will change things because it has a different name.
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  7. #27
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    Karuru Karu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Wackiest take ever: One item grind will change things because it has a different name.
    It does not only have a different name, it has a different meaning. And it is a PvE battle content grind in easy content you can do on your own, with randoms without any coordination. The only other long term PvE battle content grind would be fates, the Wivre mount. And maybe the hunt, but I don't like the hunt at all.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

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    Passing time between patches:
    Step 1.) Reach level 150 in Elden Ring
    Step 2.) Gear up accordingly
    Step 3.) ????
    Step 4.) Gank other players until they uninstall

    Survey will also accept playing Transformers: Devastation, but good luck getting ahold of it.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    It does not only have a different name, it has a different meaning. And it is a PvE battle content grind in easy content you can do on your own, with randoms without any coordination. The only other long term PvE battle content grind would be fates, the Wivre mount. And maybe the hunt, but I don't like the hunt at all.
    It doesn't really matter what you like or not. There's already so much packed into the expansion launch. There would hardly be room for them to even consider adding even more weapon designs to the start.

    Frankly, the only logical solution here is to just wait until the first relic patch and start playing the expansion. You certainly wouldn't be alone. There are first timers showing up in everything at all times. The drought is purely the result of one's own choices and one can make the choice to adjust their time rather than expecting other people to move mountains to accommodate them.

    Another alternative: accept the situation for what it is
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    Last edited by Deveryn; 02-13-2023 at 05:19 PM.

  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    It doesn't really matter what you like or not. There's already so much packed into the expansion launch. There would hardly be room for them to even consider adding even more weapon designs to the start.
    They can just slap a glow effect on the AF weapon, like in HW and SB.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

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