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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    There's no reason for an anti-cheat. Just several regular banwaves and much more strict moderation. They need to have a way of detecting if people are doing this stuff. They need to crack down hard on anyone they find guilty, and they need to be very ban heavy with it.

    Until they remove all ultimate weapons from the game and force people to earn them without cheating, prestige is lost forever in this mmo. Cheaters ruined it, but there's nothing to prevent square enix from doing a complete progress reset. You'll still have your memories if you cleared it honestly, you'll still be able to reclear it and it will revitalize player engagement in the ultimate system. But the main thing is, prestige would be restored. They could do this multiple times to avoid needing an anti-cheat. Make sure to ban people each time they reset it and watch for cheating like a hawk. It's an easy way to fix the game in so many ways. People don't want to do ultimates after getting the weapon, especially if they cheated to get it.

    Wiping everyone's progress regularly will both expose cheaters regularly, and restore prestige + player engagement to the ultimate system. It should be a "seasonal" thing until the cheating is sorted out in this game entirely. There is absolutely no point for anyone to have ultimate weapons until the cheating issue is solved.

    Absolutely shameful.
    You have a warped understanding of this game's raiding community. Ultimates are not something people want to do constantly. They are something we clear for the sake of clearing, after which most people never want to look at them again. Ultimates are, for many of the people that do them, not really even fun in the conventional sense. They're more of a test you never want to endure again once you've passed. You'll always have a minority willing to reclear, but that ain't most people.

    It's fine to voluntarily revisit old content from time to time, but uh... trying to force it? Nah. People won't redo their clears periodically - they'll just quit entirely. The lion's share of the ones that didn't quit would just disengage from the content entirely, as to the majority, those weapons look like trash. Take'em away, they suck anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    You have a warped understanding of this game's raiding community. Ultimates are not something people want to do constantly. They are something we clear for the sake of clearing, after which most people never want to look at them again. Ultimates are, for many of the people that do them, not really even fun in the conventional sense. They're more of a test you never want to endure again once you've passed. You'll always have a minority willing to reclear, but that ain't most people.

    It's fine to voluntarily revisit old content from time to time, but uh... trying to force it? Nah. People won't redo their clears periodically - they'll just quit entirely. The lion's share of the ones that didn't quit would just disengage from the content entirely, as to the majority, those weapons look like trash. Take'em away, they suck anyway.
    This game doesn't have a legit raiding community, so I don't care to understand it. It's like joining a sports league, then finding out most everyone uses steroids. Not interested. I'm not going to recognize your farce for anything more than what it is: a farce.

    Nobody cares about anything else you said other than cheaters.

    Take'em away, they suck anyway.
    I hope you don't regret eating your words. This is the only thing square enix can do to restore prestige and it is really easy for them to do. Good riddance if you all quit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    This game doesn't have a legit raiding community, so I don't care to understand it. It's like joining a sports league, then finding out most everyone uses steroids. Not interested. I'm not going to recognize your farce for anything more than what it is: a farce.

    Nobody cares about anything else you said other than cheaters.



    I hope you don't regret eating your words. This is the only thing square enix can do to restore prestige and it is really easy for them to do. Good riddance if you all quit.
    #citationneeded
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    You have a warped understanding of this game's raiding community. Ultimates are not something people want to do constantly. They are something we clear for the sake of clearing, after which most people never want to look at them again. Ultimates are, for many of the people that do them, not really even fun in the conventional sense. They're more of a test you never want to endure again once you've passed. You'll always have a minority willing to reclear, but that ain't most people.

    It's fine to voluntarily revisit old content from time to time, but uh... trying to force it? Nah. People won't redo their clears periodically - they'll just quit entirely. The lion's share of the ones that didn't quit would just disengage from the content entirely, as to the majority, those weapons look like trash. Take'em away, they suck anyway.
    Hey now! Some of us are masochistic and clear 30 times for the fun of it. >.>

    In all seriousness though, I find the notion hilarious that they genuinely think resetting everyone's Ultimate weapons would somehow restore prestige and make people want to do them again. If we indulged this hypothetical nonsense, it would completely destroy Ultimate as the overwhelming majority of players who have earned their weapons legitimately are now being told they cheated despite no actual evidence to substantiate that. I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of players quit even many who never set foot in Ultimate just because of the draconian precedence it sets. Of course, the whole idea is completely ridiculous.

    I'll be blunt as someone who has cleared every single Ultimate legitimately (I might have used "excel" ). I don't give a damn about prestige or what anyone else thinks. If my weapons inspire you to attempt Ultimate yourself then fantastic. I hope the best for your prog. If you think I'm a dirty cheater or because I meme'd a few pulls in a 24 man or hell, Savage on an off day, you think I bought my clear. That's cool too. I cleared for myself and no one else. Just like the vast majority of people doing any form of content they aspire to finish be it Ultimate raids, relic weapons or just leveling jobs to 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Hey now! Some of us are masochistic and clear 30 times for the fun of it. >.>
    30 times? That transcends masochism. I'm not sure we even have a word for that.


    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    (I might have used "excel" )
    So terrible. I bet you used Discord too, didn't you? All these awful third-party "spreadsheets" and voice communication mediums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    30 times? That transcends masochism. I'm not sure we even have a word for that.
    Let's see...

    UCoB: 24
    UwU: 33
    TEAL 28
    DSR: 7

    And I'll probably go back to all of them because I've yet to heal any. I may have a problem lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    So terrible. I bet you used Discord too, didn't you? All these awful third-party "spreadsheets" and voice communication mediums.
    Oh knoes! You discovered my dirty secret! I even had... gasp music that wasn't from FF playing!

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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Let's see...

    UCoB: 24
    UwU: 33
    TEAL 28
    DSR: 7

    And I'll probably go back to all of them because I've yet to heal any. I may have a problem lmao



    Oh knoes! You discovered my dirty secret! I even had... gasp music that wasn't from FF playing!

    I am telling Yoshi, so he can come and arrest you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Let's see...

    UCoB: 24
    UwU: 33
    TEAL 28
    DSR: 7

    And I'll probably go back to all of them because I've yet to heal any. I may have a problem lmao



    Oh knoes! You discovered my dirty secret! I even had... gasp music that wasn't from FF playing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    So terrible. I bet you used Discord too, didn't you?
    I think I have actually seen someone unironically use that as an argument. It has to have been awhile though.
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