Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[DesdemonaVae]

WHM: Aquaveil, Miracle of Nature, Afflatus Purgation
SCH: Adloquium (with or without Expedient), Summon Seraph
AST: Double-casted Aspected Benefic
SGE: Kardia + Eukrasian Dosis, Pneuma, Mesotes (might need to test that one)
PLD: Holy Sheltron, Phalanx (might need to test that one)
WAR: Bloodwhetting
DRK: The Blackest Night, Eventide (pretty sure this works as I've seen DRKs pop Eventide and then survive Seiton Tenchu)
GNB: Jugular Rip/Abdomen Tear/Eye Gouge/Hypervelocity (Junction Tank)
MNK: Thunderclap (targeting enemy), Meteodrive
DRG: Sky High, Sky Shatter (barrier)
NIN: Huton
SAM: Ogi Namikiri, Kaeshi: Namikiri (when striking two or more targets)
RPR: Arcane Crest, Tenebrae Lemurum
BRD: Repelling Shot (to bind and create distance), Silent Nocturne
MCH: Air Anchor (bind or stun), Aether Mortar (stand in it for shield)
DNC: En Avant (simply create a 40y gap), Contradance
BLM: Burst, Night Wing
SMN: Radiant Aegis
RDM: White Shift melee combo

Every job in the game has some way of preventing the Chiten > Zantetsuken combo, with or without using their own limit break. With the exception of Phalanx and Mesotes, every limit break mentioned has a shorter charge time than Zantetsuken. Yes, some of these are CC effects, and may be countered by use of Purify or Meikyo Shisui, but that can be enough: the hardest part of pulling off the Chiten > Zantetsuken combo can be getting out alive. SAM has no movement options except for Hissatsu: Soten into an enemy's face (bring back ground target Soten), and needs to get the combo off without having to use Purify/Meikyo for the best chance of getting out alive.

Zantetsuken's charge time is 120 seconds. After the two minute mark, start expecting to see Chiten use to set up the combo and remind yourself of your job's tools.

I think this does a good job of illustrating why Zantetsuken is so bad.

It emphasizes both having to pay attention to what your opponent is doing... and requires a split second response that usually will fail due to server ping. In addition, most responses require the defender to be at near full health and not have said ability on cooldown.

If you aren't at full health, saving your shields SPECIFICALLY to fend off the instant kills, and watching for Chiten with a hair trigger... then you are not responding to SAM in pvp appropriately.

That's not fun... and it doesn't make for enjoyable combat for 18 other classes that all have to watch for one class's ability.

I mean, all of this would be pointless complaining if, say, the MNK LB did 70k dmg if he hit the same opponent 7 times, or if DRG killed all targets standing within 3m's of each other, etc. But those are all silly ideas... because no one wants to play PvP where a LB instant kills opponents.

[Naizakane]

I think this does a good job of illustrating why Zantetsuken is so bad.

Zantetsuken was added to the game last April. If you're still complaining about it, it's not the button that's bad.

[Llynethil]

You do realise that sam has more abilities besides LB and even if you us a shield, he just hits one other ability and you dead right?

There is 0 reason why aoe skills should trigger chiten, especially bad like the formentioned MCH turret, you literally are preventing a job from ever usisng one of their abilities the entire game beecause you can abuse it to oneshot them ( or twoshot since you do have more then just LB to damage people).

[Kyuuen]

I'm of the mind that it would be fine if it weren't some insta-kill BS. I could reason it being 70% gone without guarding and 30 - 40% with guarding on, and buffing their skills to compensate, but no job should have an instant kill from 100%, unless it's the most painfully obvious 'hey don't be in this spot, at this given moment, on this particular day' kind of obvious.

[Towa-Musa]

samurai instant win button is cancer lol

[Vatom]

Meanwhile sams aren’t even looked at until they have their LB

[Valence]

The turret gives you a shield if you stand in it. If you've got Air Anchor available, it's a 3 second bind or stun from 25y. Let's also go over what every job can do about it:

WHM: Aquaveil, Miracle of Nature, Afflatus Purgation
SCH: Adloquium (with or without Expedient), Summon Seraph
AST: Double-casted Aspected Benefic
SGE: Kardia + Eukrasian Dosis, Pneuma, Mesotes (might need to test that one)
PLD: Holy Sheltron, Phalanx (might need to test that one)
WAR: Bloodwhetting
DRK: The Blackest Night, Eventide (pretty sure this works as I've seen DRKs pop Eventide and then survive Seiton Tenchu)
GNB: Jugular Rip/Abdomen Tear/Eye Gouge/Hypervelocity (Junction Tank)
MNK: Thunderclap (targeting enemy), Meteodrive
DRG: Sky High, Sky Shatter (barrier)
NIN: Huton
SAM: Ogi Namikiri, Kaeshi: Namikiri (when striking two or more targets)
RPR: Arcane Crest, Tenebrae Lemurum
BRD: Repelling Shot (to bind and create distance), Silent Nocturne
MCH: Air Anchor (bind or stun), Aether Mortar (stand in it for shield)
DNC: En Avant (simply create a 40y gap), Contradance
BLM: Burst, Night Wing
SMN: Radiant Aegis
RDM: White Shift melee combo

Every job in the game has some way of preventing the Chiten > Zantetsuken combo, with or without using their own limit break. With the exception of Phalanx and Mesotes, every limit break mentioned has a shorter charge time than Zantetsuken. Yes, some of these are CC effects, and may be countered by use of Purify or Meikyo Shisui, but that can be enough: the hardest part of pulling off the Chiten > Zantetsuken combo can be getting out alive. SAM has no movement options except for Hissatsu: Soten into an enemy's face (bring back ground target Soten), and needs to get the combo off without having to use Purify/Meikyo for the best chance of getting out alive.

Zantetsuken's charge time is 120 seconds. After the two minute mark, start expecting to see Chiten use to set up the combo and remind yourself of your job's tools.

We have a winner folks. I was waiting for it tbh.

The good old perfect play argument, that doesn't even bother to consider that balance =/= effort. Good joke.

[Towa-Musa]

We have a winner folks. I was waiting for it tbh.

The good old perfect play argument, that doesn't even bother to consider that balance =/= effort. Good joke.

im so tired of seeing it! the 'git gud' argument does not WORK in this instance.

[McPanzer]

Zantetsuken was added to the game last April. If you're still complaining about it, it's not the button that's bad.

what kind of supplements do you take to get your brain so smooth?

[Nubrication]

Sounds like a 1. skill issue or 2. hardware issue

There are visual effects and animations. Here are some tips to help you:
1. You need to pay more attention to your debuff statuses, if you see the debuff, you can run out of range or LoS (Line of Sight) so that the SAM can't target you. Usually the SAM will target last target attacking him, so once you see the debuff run away.
2. If you're unlucky and get caught near the target that he's attacking (and you have the debuff): then start practicing not stacking on top of your teammates; be mindful of your positioning.
3. FL isn't just about spamming spells on random targets. GOOD players will focus priority targets like players with battle high. If you're spamming a lot of aoe without securing kills, you're probably not as efficient as you think you are. And if you're not spamming aoe, you shouldn't be getting hit with SAM debuff (common sense - don't hit the SAM with the blue buff). Pay more attention to who you are attacking and if the player has certain buffs up.
4. If you are melee and going deep into enemy lines - you need to know when to engage and when not to. That's something that you learn from experience. If you're so deep and you have no idea what's going on in the engagement, you probably shouldn't be that deep. Be on the lookout for SAM, if you see one in the enemy group during the engagement, try to avoid using AOEs.

Of course if you have a subpar computer, then obviously that would make the above tips basically void.

Practice playing SAM, you'll see that while it's easy to get kills with lb, it's not as easy as you think to wipe a group. To know how other classes play and to become a better player, I'd say practice each Job a little to see their strengths and weaknesses. SAM LB can be negated by WHM poly, it can be nerfed by shields. Shields = anything that gives you a shield (more than your max hp). Since SAM's LB only does your max HP in dmg, you will live as long as you have full hp + shield. Also, SAM lb has a long charge time and chainsaw isn't even an LB, so you can't compare the two. Just some food for thought.