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  1. #41
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    I'm not totally sure to understand what use it would have if it wouldn't save anybody... Even in CC that would be a can of worms, because some people would suddenly completely stop doing actual damage and be literal liabilities in games.
    The use would be to support them getting out themselves. But since PvP is all about punishing people for being bad it can’t be anything worthwhile or that punishment wouldn’t apply. I just think it’s be nice if healers could help out a bit.

    As I said I only do Frontlines so can’t comment on CC (honestly it sounds like a mess lol…), but I’m not sure I understand how healers having a weak basic heal would break CC so hard that people would queue and destroy their rank to go afk because a weak heal exists lol. If you somehow got a healer who literally only spammed their basic heal, then chances are they’re going to be trash regardless of what abilities they have lol.

    Idk I just think it’d nice to have a bit more to support healing than just slapping Adloquium on everyone and praying for Seraph to appear lol. Not that Scholar isn’t already busted in PvP, 100% uptime on an 8% damage increase, 5% damage reduction and long cool-down party sprint are all disgustingly powerful lol. But putting that aside (like SE does everytime they make Scholar and it’s op) at least give healers like Cure / Physick / etc on a 60 second cool-down with 2 charges or something so I can help people out a little lol
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    Last edited by Connor; 02-07-2023 at 09:51 PM.

  2. #42
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    Payadopa's Avatar
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Wait, people want something removed under the guise of QoL so yet another aspect of combat gets sanded off? Never seen that one before. lol
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  3. #43
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    The use would be to support them getting out themselves. But since PvP is all about punishing people for being bad it can’t be anything worthwhile or that punishment wouldn’t apply. I just think it’s be nice if healers could help out a bit.

    As I said I only do Frontlines so can’t comment on CC (honestly it sounds like a mess lol…), but I’m not sure I understand how healers having a weak basic heal would break CC so hard that people would queue and destroy their rank to go afk because a weak heal exists lol. If you somehow got a healer who literally only spammed their basic heal, then chances are they’re going to be trash regardless of what abilities they have lol.

    Idk I just think it’d nice to have a bit more to support healing than just slapping Adloquium on everyone and praying for Seraph to appear lol. Not that Scholar isn’t already busted in PvP, 100% uptime on an 8% damage increase, 5% damage reduction and long cool-down party sprint are all disgustingly powerful lol. But putting that aside (like SE does everytime they make Scholar and it’s op) at least give healers like Cure / Physick / etc on a 60 second cool-down with 2 charges or something so I can help people out a little lol
    I really, but really don't understand the logic behind adding something useless. If it can't be anything worthwhile, but healers being able to help "out a bit", then what it is exactly? This is completely contradictory...

    I never said that it would break CC "so hard". I said it would encourage bad play the same way cure I does in pve. Adding something useless doesn't mean people won't use it, especially novices or clueless players. Adding a heal that is actually not useless on a GCD would however completely break CC because healers aren't designed to function like Feast healers used to with heals on demand (and being the central pivot of every team). It would essentially make healers completely broken.

    If you're after a healer with a lot more heal charges then WhM might interest you. It has 2 charges of Cure II and a triggerable AoE Cure III, and it's on a shorter CD than 60s.
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  4. #44
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    The use would be to support them getting out themselves. But since PvP is all about punishing people for being bad it can’t be anything worthwhile or that punishment wouldn’t apply. I just think it’s be nice if healers could help out a bit.

    As I said I only do Frontlines so can’t comment on CC (honestly it sounds like a mess lol…), but I’m not sure I understand how healers having a weak basic heal would break CC so hard that people would queue and destroy their rank to go afk because a weak heal exists lol. If you somehow got a healer who literally only spammed their basic heal, then chances are they’re going to be trash regardless of what abilities they have lol.

    Idk I just think it’d nice to have a bit more to support healing than just slapping Adloquium on everyone and praying for Seraph to appear lol. Not that Scholar isn’t already busted in PvP, 100% uptime on an 8% damage increase, 5% damage reduction and long cool-down party sprint are all disgustingly powerful lol. But putting that aside (like SE does everytime they make Scholar and it’s op) at least give healers like Cure / Physick / etc on a 60 second cool-down with 2 charges or something so I can help people out a little lol
    Healers don't have anything more than what they have because pvp is supposed to be role agnostic. Everyone has "flavors" of their roles, but if you queue healer in pvp you are not a healer. There are no roles anymore because, again, the intent for the new pvp is to be role agnostic.
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  5. #45
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    Rygart Sawamura
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    Zodiark
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Well pvp is mostly about 5 thing:
    1.Knowledge of jobs include you team and enemy team
    2.Kill order
    3.Position
    4.bait
    5.burst
    If you have those decent knowledge of those 5 thing rest is depend on you teammate.
    Also if you position well and play correct you mostly will not die in match. Except if you team has 1-2 afk.

    People just not realize how strong Horrid Roar is if drgs use it correctly with map.
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    Make no mistake. I'm not you alliances. I'm here cause I just do what I felt is right thing to do.

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