Building a Better Gaming Community: The Advantages of a Console-Only Final Fantasy XI

[solimiano]

"AcT bAd bcs SE sAiD sO"
SE doesnt give a damn if you use your mare whatever to juice up your catgirl or act to see where you messed up in the logs it only becomes a problem when streamers use it than they HAVE to take actions you cannot make exceptions there. And they also cannot take the stance of allowing some addons that will open a huge can of worms. And if you use UAV or splatoon or whatever you are robbing yourself of the experience like whats the point anymore.

So don't talk about, don't stream with the add ons, and don't reply on the bloody official forums defending anything that is not SE property, maybe the heat will go down.
Or just be brave and tag Yoshi on Twitter while your streaming full of addons and go out in a blaze of glory.

[Mosha]

So don't talk about, don't stream with the add ons, and don't reply on the bloody official forums defending anything that is not SE property, maybe the heat will go down.
Or just be brave and tag Yoshi on Twitter while your streaming full of addons and go out in a blaze of glory.

I thought you were against 3rd-party tools. now it just seems your advocating for what 99.9% of people with them already do....what a comedown.

[solimiano]

I thought you were against 3rd-party tools. now it just seems your advocating for what 99.9% of people with them already do....what a comedown.

I'm against the use of anything that breaks tos, but if don't know about it... Now if you keep shoving in the official forums that you break tos, of course I'm going to be against it.

If we ever meet ingame I have no clue if you use mods or not at most I'll think you play really well, unless you're teleport hacking or if you tell me you use mods.

Imagine going to a police bar boasting about breaking the law and what tools you use to break the law...
There's no discussion to be made in the official forums unless it's to condemn and shame everyone that breaks the TOS.
It's a shame that the forums aren't properly moderated.

[Mosha]

It's a shame that the forums aren't properly moderated.

why? so you can grass people up? I personally don't use thrid party tools

[solimiano]

why? so you can grass people up? I personally don't use thrid party tools

If the forums were properly moderated any post advocating the use of addons would be deleted and the user would be warned/banned automatically, no need to report anyone

[Mosha]

If the forums were properly moderated any post advocating the use of addons would be deleted and the user would be warned/banned automatically, no need to report anyone

don't believe in the right to critique eh?

SE must stamp out all criticism of their game.

[Midareyukki]

I'm against the use of anything that breaks tos

I'm sorry but... no you're not. You denied disabilities and support, showed no consideration for other people, pushed your opinion onto others and threatened to take actions against them just because they were doing something that the ToS said not to. All of these things are also in the ToS as prohibited actions, yet you didn't care. Are you only going to cherrypick the line about third party tools and ignore that there's a conduct to follow?

And the last time I pointed this out you said "I'm not threatening, I'm informing that I'll take action if I see that happen" ...that's, by definition, a threat. You informing your intent to sleight someone, regardless of morality, to the person to discourage them from doing something is a threat.

Now, I'm not going to bother reporting you for it, that is not my intention. My intention is to make you understand that it does seem rather unthought of to say "I am against the use of anything that breaks the terms of service" when you yourself have been conducting yourself in such a manner that can be seen as breaking it as well.

You'll find plenty of people break the terms of service ever so loosely. It doesn't take third party tools to break it. Please try to rethink your approach when it comes to other people if you truly do seek to fully abide by the terms of service, so that dialogue can actually flow properly even if you disagree with someone's actions or words.

[solimiano]

I'm sorry but... no you're not. You denied disabilities and support, showed no consideration for other people, pushed your opinion onto others and threatened to take actions against them just because they were doing something that the ToS said not to. All of these things are also in the ToS as prohibited actions, yet you didn't care. Are you only going to cherrypick the line about third party tools and ignore that there's a conduct to follow?

And the last time I pointed this out you said "I'm not threatening, I'm informing that I'll take action if I see that happen" ...that's, by definition, a threat. You informing your intent to sleight someone, regardless of morality, to the person to discourage them from doing something is a threat.

Now, I'm not going to bother reporting you for it, that is not my intention. My intention is to make you understand that it does seem rather unthought of to say "I am against the use of anything that breaks the terms of service" when you yourself have been conducting yourself in such a manner that can be seen as breaking it as well.

You'll find plenty of people break the terms of service ever so loosely. It doesn't take third party tools to break it. Please try to rethink your approach when it comes to other people if you truly do seek to fully abide by the terms of service, so that dialogue can actually flow properly even if you disagree with someone's actions or words.

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

[Raoabolic]

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

Equating mods to robbing a bank?
lol.
lmao even!

[Midareyukki]

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

Ah, so that's how you saw it. No, you were conflating using shaders to help with a disability, as well as other tools to help other people out with other stuff like a language barrier, the same as people who use zoomhacks to cheat and parsers to harass. And it seems you're doing it again!! Conflating those as something extreme like a robbery! Are you alright, solimiano? Because this isn't normal.

Do you really not understand that you're breaking the ToS in your advocating crusade as well? You're not wrong in saying that any and all tool is prohibited, that's SE's stance. But there's more to it than that, SE has stated as much, and they act based on it. Could you please be a bit more realistic than just hard-focusing on one line in the ToS and ignoring all the rest?

Again. Please rethink your attitude when it comes to other people, because it's coming across as really dismissive and aggressive. Things that also go against the ToS.