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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Who's job is it then? If you care about someone then it isn't about who's job it is, it's providing them a courtesy by making them aware of their own mistakes. And no, they will not self-reflect and correct if they are coddled. This is not how the human brain works. They will in fact do the exact opposite.


    Listen to what you're saying here. The victim has to make their lodestone private, change their name, change their server. And in the worse cases, they might have to start all over again. All the while you give the harasser the ability to do the same thing with their own account(s). If you cannot see what is wrong here, then I do not know how to explain it further. You need to realize that in one breath you're saying that a player making their lodestone private will protect them, and then when you argue in the next breath you say that the harasser making their lodestone private won't protect them.


    If this is how you feel, then let them do their job. If this is how you feel, then what is the point of this thread? Please understand that I am on your side, and I don't want harassment and stalking taking place in any form on this game, or any other, or any other platform. I want the offenders punished, and made an example of to let others would be arseholes know what awaits them should they decide to violate the ToS instead of allowing others to maintain an enjoyable experience while online.
    I'm sorry, but do you understand the concept of the information that player would have access to and the information that GMs would have access to? Because it sounds like it flew right over your head, and that makes the world of difference here.

    If the profile is set to private, it protects someone who may be the victim of harassment since there is no way for a user to find them as they can't access that profile and have no access to internal identifiers - i.e. system identifiers. It protects them from a harasser.

    However, there should be internal systems at SE that don't care about whether the profile is private or not, and there are people with access - possible SE employees, maybe not - could be GMs, whatever- who can look up a character and track them no matter what they do. Thus a harasser is NOT protected, if they change their name , change their profile settings, change servers, etc.

    Personally, I would have the lodestone profile set to private by default, but at least- have a private option.
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    Leone Noir
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I'm sorry, but do you understand the concept of the information that player would have access to and the information that GMs would have access to? Because it sounds like it flew right over your head, and that makes the world of difference here.

    If the profile is set to private, it protects someone who may be the victim of harassment since there is no way for a user to find them as they can't access that profile and have no access to internal identifiers - i.e. system identifiers. It protects them from a harasser.

    However, there should be internal systems at SE that don't care about whether the profile is private or not, and there are people with access - possible SE employees, maybe not - could be GMs, whatever- who can look up a character and track them no matter what they do. Thus a harasser is NOT protected, if they change their name , change their profile settings, change servers, etc.

    Personally, I would have the lodestone profile set to private by default, but at least- have a private option.
    Exactly this. Stalking and harassing is against the ToS, so just report the person doing it. Even if they hide their lodestone profile, change their name, and transfer their server, a GM can still find them. I don't know why people seem to think this system can be abused, and the harassers hiding their lodestone will have zero consequences. That's not how it would work at all. Just make sure you fill out all the necessary information in your report (date, time, etc...)
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