Does the average XIV player know how to play their jobs?

[Somnolence]

What was shocking to me that even some players that wanted to do ex/savage were completely ignorant about how their jobs work. The fact that game itself does not teach this its literally impossible to know things without going to external sources.

Two biggest offenders to that were BLM and PLD.

For first one, nowhere in UI it is show just how much astral fire stacks increase fire damage (its 40/60/80%). Figuring out just how important is to maximize fire spell usage for a new player just from tooltips is not easy.

For PLD before rework I saw quite a few players not using Holy Spirit. I believe requiescat tooltip also was not intuitive, so players would not know just how much dps they were losing by not using it (If I recall it was 25% of PLD dps?).

In general these are fundamentals that need to be learned before attempting hard content:

• ABC - always be casting.
• Basic idea that raid buffs should be used when other jobs can benefit from them as well, which leads to rotations where everybody is trying to burst under buffs. My first job was NIN and since I was a noob then I used trick on first GCD...
• GCDs, oGCDs, weaving

[DPZ2]

Simple answer:
No, no they do not. The game really needs to double down on forcing them to learn before they come and subject the rest of us to their existence.

Please provide me with information on any other MMORPG in the world that does this. Be specific. Optional content does not count. Early tutorials do not count.

[Lium]

Yikes. I'm sorry people have had a lot of issues with others. I guess I've been lucky cause there has been only ONE instance where people just bailed from continued failure and that was the Bird and Portal trial. I stayed with the group cause I knew there was a 1st timer and I wanted them to be able to clear but unfortunately I was a DPS and not a healer and the healers kept biting it.

Most of the time if we wipe...it's just the once. Rarely twice.

As SturmChrro said...it IS stupidly easy. I've been lucky to be grouped with randoms that could handle it without a single word being exchanged.

My experience pretty much mirrors yours.

Sometimes I read the forums and Reddit and I legit wonder where people are finding these groups.

There’s no way I can possibly be that lucky. In fact I know I’m not because I always lose on minion and orchestrion rolls

[ReynTime]

Going from "expert" to savage content is like asking someone with no programming knowledge to code a hello world executable, congratulate them then order them to create a tic-tac-toe program with user interface within 6 hours.
Having only extreme trials bridging the gap is really not enough to prepare the average player.
That aside, if there is a way to cheat and not get caught, there will always be those who cheat. Specially if there is competition involved.

[Semirhage]

what are you going on about here?

See there's this thing called an analogy. The analogy here was how toxic casuals are constantly smugging about how they want to play the game in a chill and relaxed way, but also throw fits every time someone brings up the mere *idea* that anyone could improve.

The point of the analogy was that toxic casuals protest WAY too much. The bratty shrieking they do over the existence of parsers, the squawking about plugins, all of this crap is indicative of someone who actually does care, quite a bit. It's not the behavior of someone who's laid-back. It's the behavior of someone who's embarrassed that someone might see them as unskilled, so they pitch a fit about it in threads all over General Discussion, every day, every week, telling us all that they're only here to have fun but REEEEEE those EVIL ELITISTS doing SAVAGE ruin everything by...BEING OVER THERE!

[jameseoakes]

See there's this thing called an analogy. The analogy here was how toxic casuals are constantly smugging about how they want to play the game in a chill and relaxed way, but also throw fits every time someone brings up the mere *idea* that anyone could improve.

The point of the analogy was that toxic casuals protest WAY too much. The bratty shrieking they do over the existence of parsers, the squawking about plugins, all of this crap is indicative of someone who actually does care, quite a bit. It's not the behavior of someone who's laid-back. It's the behavior of someone who's embarrassed that someone might see them as unskilled, so they pitch a fit about it in threads all over General Discussion, every day, every week, telling us all that they're only here to have fun but REEEEEE those EVIL ELITISTS doing SAVAGE ruin everything by...BEING OVER THERE!

Honestly I've still no idea what your on about other than really hating on some imagined people

[dspguy]

It is a subjective question.

My interpretation is:
- In a dungeon (anything from Sastasha to the latest), are they AOEing on trash? Are they doing mechanics with some tolerance for the occasional mistake?
- In a trial/normal raid, are we clearing without wiping and without healers struggling to keep everyone alive because DPS keep stepping in the poop?

If a player is checking those boxes, they are fine for the majority of content in this game. I expect to see mistakes in extremes/savage. The content is harder and more complicated. It is that simple.

[Vahlnir]

The point of the analogy was that toxic casuals protest WAY too much. The bratty shrieking they do over the existence of parsers, the squawking about plugins, all of this crap is indicative of someone who actually does care, quite a bit. It's not the behavior of someone who's laid-back. It's the behavior of someone who's embarrassed that someone might see them as unskilled, so they pitch a fit about it in threads all over General Discussion, every day, every week, telling us all that they're only here to have fun but REEEEEE those EVIL ELITISTS doing SAVAGE ruin everything by...BEING OVER THERE!

Reading your original post, I was just as confused as jamesoakes. But this actually makes sense to me. I personally think that people protesting add-ons and mods is valid. It's against the ToS. I get it. However, some (not all, but some) take it wayyyyyy too far by, for example, calling for bans on people just because they dared entertain the thought that these things might actually be helpful in some way, even if they don't actually use these things at all, and that a grey area does indeed exist.

[MonsutaMan]

Just a question that came up today.

With all the talk of Addons/Parsers, somebody today asked what my thoughts were on the average casual player actually knowing how to play their job correctly.

Immediately i said no, the average player most likely does not realize that they are holding back groups by playing badly.

This is just based on experience in Dungeons/PF, but some people are completely clueless when it comes to actually PLAYING the game..

This bought up a second question: What can the game do, to TEACH people to play properly.

Should the game teach people about Melding Gear, Rotations, Openers and other things that will help them in the Endgame?

Any thoughts?

[Lium]

My paint skills are elementary. However the average is green/blue IMO

I've been lead to believe that the majority of the people on the forum are in the yellow category.