Please more housing wards soon. And no more FC/Private Hybrid.

[KeaKonel]

Please for the love of everything either add more wards, instance housing, SOMETHING.

Hell maybe even wards that have more medium/large plots so we don't have 50 small plots that the FCs don't want to fight over. Repeatedly losing lottery cause there's not enough to go around is not fun and feels awful.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Correlation is not causation. Just because those games had instanced housing does not mean that housing was the cause of their problems. You're being deliberately misleading by trying to imply that was the case.

Well before such a lazy claim; show me the noise in the theory? Or are you just a fan of this archtypical lazy talking point. We have data we can observe. People love to make claims without backing them up...check your housing wards; heck your on Coeurl.

You've also left SWTOR and ESO off your list? Why is that? Because they're still successful games with instanced housing and so would counter your attempt to blame instanced housing for game failures?

I left SWTOR off the list because I am not familiar with its housing system; I do not talk about things I am not familiar with; a practice many folks on here should embrace. EO is the last listed but in your rush to sweep reality under the rug I suppose you overlooked it on your gimme gimme crusade.

A game being F2P itself is not a problem....

It is when your talking about persistent income and the infrastructure required to maintain it. Subs keeping the lights on as opposed to feeding on whales. Convincing a player to maintain a sub means the player is committed to that title and is "assured" business. Thus why F2P is relevant as FF 14 is not a F2P game when we are speaking of housing.

Also correction on RIFT - it was the one of the first MMORPGs to go free to play back in 2013, not 2018. It's also not dead (yet) though the population is a fraction of what it was before Gamigo boughtt Trion and they don't seem to do new content updates anymore. I logged onto my RIFT account in the weeks just before Endwalker's release and just to be certain logged in again just a few minutes ago (always nice to see my Dimensions still there after so many years of not being a paying customer). What closed in 2019 was their attempt at a "classic" progression server for the game. Not that I'm going to recommend RIFT as a game to play at this point. Gamigo is terrible with the way they operate their games. But it's still a good example of what can be achieved with an instanced housing system and how it avoids the problems we get with a ward system.

Good catch - pulled the dates skimming the wiki there those and got the PRIME mixed up.

Honestly though there is still housing left unclaimed - so the statement of there being no housing is still false at this point; its that everyone wants the last house so they can be over and done with it. I think there needs to be some tweaks to the ward system and deffinetly the lotto system - waiting about a week to determine whats next I think grinds a lot of folks down at this point. Also Relocation causes some issues at this point as I was pondering how a FC can relo out of the FC only ward into the hybrid wards.

[Jojoya]

Well before such a lazy claim; show me the noise in the theory? Or are you just a fan of this archtypical lazy talking point. We have data we can observe. People love to make claims without backing them up...check your housing wards; heck your on Coeurl.

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You say I need to give data and yet you didn't offer supporting data about the impact of housing yourself?

If you google search player comments on those games at that time of their declines, I'm not finding any references to "instanced housing was terrible and killed the game". I'm finding references about dissatisfaction to changes in other systems or feelings that other newly released games were offering more to the player.

I have no clue what EO is. I wasn't talking about an EO. I'm referring to ESO - Elder Scrolls Online. It's always been ESO to the gaming community. I guess it's another game you're not familiar with. Their housing system is praised by their community.

On the subject of F2P versus subscription, either type of player can choose to quit paying at any time. Both are subject to players paying then not paying then paying again. F2P games tend to be far more profitable than the few remaining subscription games. It becomes how much the game developer is willing to invest back into the game. Unfortunately, most end up run like cash grabs. But there are still plenty of F2P games thriving after several years because the gaming company does reinvest in their games.

Certainly at the moment we have plots that are unclaimed on most worlds, and will have a few more added as demolition timers start to expire now that demolition has resumed. But what will things look like 3 months from now? Will there still be available plots on most NA worlds or will everything be full again?

We know it will get worse as we get closer to 7.0's release. We saw it happen at the end of Heavensward. We saw it happen at the end of Stormblood. There was nothing to see at the end of Shadowbringers because NA house was already full. Now the wait to see how it turns out as Dynamis gets the other 4 worlds and EU gets a new data center later this year.

[Khryseis_Astra]

At the moment, there are 8 smalls in LB on Bryn. The lowest has 2 bids, the highest has 9, most of the rest are at 4… and that’s pretty much it unless/until auto demo kicks in. Empyreum has a couple with no bids, but it’s only day 2 of the current lotto. They’ll get snapped up by someone.

Wonder how long it’ll take for all the wards to be mixed? We’ve got a good chunk of smalls sitting empty in Ward 25! And a few in the other FC only wards that opened up from people relocating.

[Xylira]

I left SWTOR off the list because I am not familiar with its housing system; I do not talk about things I am not familiar with; a practice many folks on here should embrace. EO is the last listed but in your rush to sweep reality under the rug I suppose you overlooked it on your gimme gimme crusade.

You're apparently not familiar with a lot of things, because you claimed SWG had instanced housing when it never did. And if you meant Elder Scrolls Online when you said "EO", you're still wrong because it's not a free to play game, it's a buy to play game.

So you often talk about things you're not familiar with, but only when you think it suits your argument.

[Yuniko]

Having played SWTOR and with it's instanced housing, it actually isn't that bad. It's pretty enjoyable and gives A LOT of creativity to the players as a whole. I got houses on Manaan, Nar shadaa, Alderaan, Yavin 4. ALL of them are wonderful locations and it just ultimately make me realise FFXIV should have something like this aswell!

[Stormpeaks]

Instanced housing is fine as an addition to ward housing, not as a replacement, and the problem is that until ward housing is removed, people will still want a ward one as much as without instanced housing, it wont satisfy a huge majority of them, so no point.

[Yuniko]

Instanced housing is fine as an addition to ward housing, not as a replacement, and the problem is that until ward housing is removed, people will still want a ward one as much as without instanced housing, it wont satisfy a huge majority of them, so no point.

very true. But it could be a bandaid, until they've fixed the current issue with the housing.

OR, they could also allow say. To upgrade from small, to med, to large. Using gil, or mats, or gathering supplies. Wich would help a lot for new players aswell

[Jojoya]

Instanced housing is fine as an addition to ward housing, not as a replacement, and the problem is that until ward housing is removed, people will still want a ward one as much as without instanced housing, it wont satisfy a huge majority of them, so no point.

I think you overestimate the appeal of ward housing. Certainly there is some demand for it, but there's also a large portion of the player base that would be much happier with instanced housing.

As both I and others have said in the past, ward housing doesn't need to be removed. Those who prefer ward housing should still have it to compete over. But a better instanced housing system is needed to give every player who wants a house access once they meet the base requirements. If they feel that getting a ward house is better, they would at least have the instanced house to use until they were able to obtain the ward house.

[Pratini]

The current system is fine.