Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Jybril]

I'm tellin' ya'll,
You keep on pushing the devs buttons and it's gonna happen.
The moment they do that this games going to hell instantly lmao.

[solimiano]

I'm tellin' ya'll,
You keep on pushing the devs buttons and it's gonna happen.
The moment they do that this games going to hell instantly lmao.

Bring it, ban everyone using mods, apparently now on console as well, the game will still be fine. Play the game as it is intended, not with mods.
Want to play with mods, go play something else.
You need a qol feature request it every day on the forums, email the Devs, go through the propper channels. Using mods is not the way to do it

[Absimiliard]

Bring it, ban everyone using mods, apparently now on console as well, the game will still be fine. Play the game as it is intended, not with mods.
Want to play with mods, go play something else.
You need a qol feature request it every day on the forums, email the Devs, go through the propper channels. Using mods is not the way to do it

Do you fully comprehend the number of players currently employing third-party tools? Let's assume they do all get banned. You know what happens? FFXIV stops being lucrative because they will have just shot most of their cash cows in the head. This would legitimately kill the game faster than just about anything else. It won't just be this game that goes under, either - it will hit Square-Enix hard.

SE has already been having a bit of a rough time of it lately courtesy of a number of factors, not the least of which being multiple mediocre releases and their own shady business practices. Having FFXIV's influx of cash kicked out from under them would be a crippling blow to the entire company. I don't think for a minute it would be enough to put SE under fully, but it would definitely hurt them. They're already cutting a lot of corners in their games, and this would force them to cut even more. It's a spiral most gaming companies never recover from. They were only saved from it back in the 80s by the original Final Fantasy, which was named final because they very much expected it to be their last release before the company, then just Square (or SquareSoft, in the US), went under.

tl;dr: If SE gets rid of everyone using third-party tools and/or mods, they will probably deal irreparable harm to their own company.

[Heroman3003]

Do you fully comprehend the number of players currently employing third-party tools? Let's assume they do all get banned. You know what happens? FFXIV stops being lucrative because they will have just shot most of their cash cows in the head. This would legitimately kill the game faster than just about anything else. It won't just be this game that goes under, either - it will hit Square-Enix hard.

SE has already been having a bit of a rough time of it lately courtesy of a number of factors, not the least of which being multiple mediocre releases and their own shady business practices. Having FFXIV's influx of cash kicked out from under them would be a crippling blow to the entire company. I don't think for a minute it would be enough to put SE under fully, but it would definitely hurt them. They're already cutting a lot of corners in their games, and this would force them to cut even more. It's a spiral most gaming companies never recover from. They were only saved from it back in the 80s by the original Final Fantasy, which was named final because they very much expected it to be their last release before the company, then just Square (or SquareSoft, in the US), went under.

tl;dr: If SE gets rid of everyone using third-party tools and/or mods, they will probably deal irreparable harm to their own company.

Not to take sides too hard here, but regardless of how many people use mods, I genuinely think you're severely overestimating amount of people who would be willing to permanently quit the game over the blockage. In fact, Id say among those who use them, only superminority actually has their enjoyment of the game RELY on the mods, rather than just being enhanced by them. An annoyingly loud minority, but a minority nevertheless.

[Absimiliard]

Not to take sides too hard here, but regardless of how many people use mods, I genuinely think you're severely overestimating amount of people who would be willing to permanently quit the game over the blockage. In fact, Id say among those who use them, only superminority actually has their enjoyment of the game RELY on the mods, rather than just being enhanced by them. An annoyingly loud minority, but a minority nevertheless.

Reread what the person I am responding to said. They were calling for a blanket ban of everyone using mods, as in players being permanently removed from the game by Square-Enix. No mention was made of anyone quitting.

I do think you're gravely underestimating the number of people that would quit if mods were somehow defeated, however. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough to make the game a good bit less lucrative than it is. ...And considering FFXIV and the mobile games are about the only things keeping SE alive right now, that probably isn't in their best interest.

[Heroman3003]

Reread what the person I am responding to said. They were calling for a blanket ban of everyone using mods, as in players being permanently removed from the game by Square-Enix. No mention was made of anyone quitting.

I do think you're gravely underestimating the number of people that would quit if mods were somehow defeated, however. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough to make the game a good bit less lucrative than it is. ...And considering FFXIV and the mobile games are about the only things keeping SE alive right now, that probably isn't in their best interest.

And unlike them I am realistic in my entertaining of the possibility that the blockage happens. There will almost certainly be advance warning of it, system itself most likely will just block usage of existing mods rather than be about punishing players for using them and those that manage to modify the game anyway will be treated no different than they are now - innocent until proven guilty. And even there, it will probably go down the usual rung of starting with lightest punishments like warnings.

Thing is, people in this thread doomsay a lot about 'if mods are blocked SO MANY people will quit the game' and I cant help but think of how far up in the clouds the heads of those that think that that many people will actually quit the game over it must be.

And all the talks of intrusive anti-cheats are silly as well. SE's game is bare naked in terms of most basic protection. They can make game much more anti-mod by just upping the security of the game without need to scan systems of users for other programs and files. But it'd be a giant undertaking of fundamental level of the spaghetti and sticks the game is built on, which is the true main reason thats so unlikely to happen.

[Ransu]

Not to take sides too hard here, but regardless of how many people use mods, I genuinely think you're severely overestimating amount of people who would be willing to permanently quit the game over the blockage. In fact, Id say among those who use them, only superminority actually has their enjoyment of the game RELY on the mods, rather than just being enhanced by them. An annoyingly loud minority, but a minority nevertheless.

I'd say easily 1 out of every 3 players is using some kind of mod/plugin whether it be data type stuff or graphical. I know the RP community religiously uses bubble chat addons and they are a extremely large population of players in this game.

[Raikai]

Bring it, ban everyone using mods, apparently now on console as well, the game will still be fine. Play the game as it is intended, not with mods.
Want to play with mods, go play something else.
You need a qol feature request it every day on the forums, email the Devs, go through the propper channels. Using mods is not the way to do it

If they find a way to detect and ban mods, they will have to do the same with ACT and thus killing fflogs. Can you imagine the number of people stopping to play XIV just because of it?... The game will probably be fine, like you said, but I don't see that financial bleed overlooked.

[Thaciscokidd]

If they find a way to detect and ban mods, they will have to do the same with ACT and thus killing fflogs. Can you imagine the number of people stopping to play XIV just because of it?... The game will probably be fine, like you said, but I don't see that financial bleed overlooked.

You'd just lose people for a short time till someone finds a work around (which usually happens).

The Mobile Games division is hard carrying Sqenix right now but that bleed would make corporate less likely to approve stuff that people want that would cost money like more servers, voice acting, and stuff that's more experimental.

A good chunk of people using mods are super casual players who use mostly graphical mods... Pissing off the casual player base is basically saying you don't want your game active anymore.

This for sure. People assume that most of the mod usage is parsing and stuff. But you have a lot more people using the really good QoL mods, graphical mods, and even language packs that would be affected by this.