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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    They didn't need to turn to cheat to beat it. They turned to cheating because they wanted to be word first.
    Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.
    My thoughts exactly. Nobody cares about the intended challenges anymore, clearly thats been the case ever since people started using addons. People always seek an easy way out when the game doesnt accommodate to their "needs"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.
    Not arguing this take is right or wrong, but it wasn't my point nor the point I was countering. The point was people never "need" to, they just "want" to. The reason why they "want" to is irrelevant since it's the same difference. As a reminder, the poster I was replying to "the top team needs to cheat to be world as proof the content is too hard", which is what I disagree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Nobody cares about the intended challenges anymore
    I wish people use quantifier like Everybody or Nobody with more care, 'cause that's a bold claim to make. There are still a large section of people playing on console meaning they can't cheat even if they want to, and not everyone on PC would cheat. Those two points alone would easily dismiss the veracity of the "nobody" claim. Overgeneralize never help to make a point.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 02-02-2023 at 11:21 AM.