Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Reinha]

Housing is housing and every FC plot another grabs up is one in the future that can't be accessed by a new FC looking to establish themselves.

If there ever is too few FC plots the devs will just allocate another set of wards for free companies. Free companies will always have priority. They get to place more bids and shop around in FC wards with plenty of options and no competition.

The reason why houses run out has never been the existence of free companies, but the existence of personal housing. There will never be enough houses because as soon as a ward is opened up to personal buyers, every single plot will be filled in a short amount of time. No matter how much we are given, we need more.

Let's be real here. New FCs of the future are not the real reason people are mad about "undeserving" free companies buying plots. In people's minds those houses in a free company ward are just personal plots waiting to be released to the public and free companies are cutting the line. People are unwilling to make an FC to buy these plots and would prefer FC wards to rot unused until they are opened for personal buyers.

[SassyAssassin]

Still a few free places in Goblet Louisoix, let’s be neighbours, I wont ever chat you up but lets :3!

[Deceptus]

If there ever is too few FC plots the devs will just allocate another set of wards for free companies. Free companies will always have priority. They get to place more bids and shop around in FC wards with plenty of options and no competition.

The reason why houses run out has never been the existence of free companies, but the existence of personal housing. There will never be enough houses because as soon as a ward is opened up to personal buyers, every single plot will be filled in a short amount of time. No matter how much we are given, we need more.

Let's be real here. New FCs of the future are not the real reason people are mad about "undeserving" free companies buying plots. In people's minds those houses in a free company ward are just personal plots waiting to be released to the public and free companies are cutting the line. People are unwilling to make an FC to buy these plots and would prefer FC wards to rot unused until they are opened for personal buyers.

If there are more spots than FC in an FC ward they should be converted to regular housing, but the point remains, a single FC shouldn't be allowed to have multiple plots because those players are using them for individual housing under the guise of an FC.

[Midareyukki]

It's not agaisnt TOS, that's first of all.

And for the second part, they didnt "swallow them up", no one bid on them. It was uncontested. If people decided to go to shiro, mist, lb or empy, that's on them, those people decided to go to goblet where it'd be uncontested, good on them.

Deceptus, she's right. It's not against the ToS. It's going to feel scummy and a moral wrong, but it's not against the ToS.

Now, I don't know if no one bid on them, since for that we'd need to check each individual plot during the roulette to see if it was contested or not... Especially since at least one FC got a house there. But it is true that the Goblet isn't the most appealing, and thus they got likely got these houses whenever it was possible. So Stormpeaks is correct on that one as well.

And it's also possible that whichever other FCs were on there in the other plots likely just relocated elsewhere, making the available plots there grow.

[Reinha]

And it's also possible that whichever other FCs were on there in the other plots likely just relocated elsewhere, making the available plots there grow.

I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

[dspguy]

Yes it did, and no it wasn't. Me and all the friends I met spamming those placards got houses under that system. With that being said, we all spent waaaay too much time spamming (30+ hours collectively for me) and losing plots to transfers and bots. The old system was obviously bad, nobody in their right mind actually wants it back, I'm just saying at least there was a way to influence the outcome and that the lottery system is the laziest band-aid imaginable.

That's anecdotal at best. A few players that you know won, and hundreds did not. It is luck-based. Essentially, your odds if you show up and spam (or use a bot) was roughly 1 / number_of_players_spamming. Which is more or less the same as lottery is now - without the need to stand around for 12+ hours for each plot you try to win.

[Midareyukki]

I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

Well, I haven't been keeping track of what got added or not CX

I mention "relocations" a lot though because that's what I see happened in the wards I know were full where I play. However, I have no context as to what goes on in America half the time. If the plots Deceptus posted where indeed completely empty, then this just loops back around to what I said before in another thread.

The problem isn't the system alone. And it's not adding restrictions on plot owners out of a salt-ridden vendetta that anyone will resolve anything. Because by that point, you'll hit those that weren't like that FC and... for lack of a more carefully-measured expression, used methods that were tolerated by the development team to own more than one plot. In theory.

Is that a problematic thing to do? Yes. But unfortunately there's not going to be a hard clamp on that scenario that doesn't also restrict people that had nothing to do with the situation.

Just take the houses and bid on them. Odds are, you'll relocate later. It doesn't matter if it's in the Goblet, because at least you'll have a house. Clearly that's what people want at all costs from the way these threads are written e.e;

[Final-Fantasy]

Title says it all, I'd rather go back to fighting bots at the placard for hours at a time because at least my dedication eventually got me a house. Square's solution to the bot problem being "lets just make it randomm!!xD" has to be the absolute laziest solution to a problem I've ever seen in a game.

I might have been okay with this stupidly lazy fix if it only applied to the dime a dozen small houses, but Medium and Large plots are some of the rarest and most sought after items in the game. Its insane to me that a some person who just hit level 50 and ground out a moot amount of gold has the same chance at getting one of these plots as a mentor with 50x more sub time and time played.

The very least they could do is increase the amount of money these plots cost (at least double) and require you to complete the Endwalker MSQ and possibly more. This would cut down on the amount of bids people with multiple alt characters and/or multiple accounts are putting in each buy period, as I personally know many people with 2+ houses that are putting in 3+ bids on MORE plots each buy period because of the loose restrictions.

The Lottery is fine, but they need to enforce the one plot per world Rule.

[Corvus_V]

The Lottery is fine, but they need to enforce the one plot per world Rule.

This would make it so people who own FCs can't own a house, and there's alot of people who wouldnt be happy about that. If you're talking about the people who circumvent those restrictions in the first place by owning multiple service accounts, it's extremely deniable and hard to prove, and Square Enix likely cares about it as much as they care about everyone who is pissed off about housing in general, since they pay the subs of those accounts just as much as every other per individual user. They've yet to make any plans or comment on how atrocious it is in general for the actual people who do play and want to participate, so all that is to say "they don't care much", which is basically their modus operandi for everything at this point. That being said, housing isn't fine, and by extension, neither is the lottery, or was placard spamming.

[LianaThorne]

I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

But then you get people who are like "but-but muh FC. I can't leab it. T_T"

Prob gonna be the last thing I say on this topic but if you're (speaking in general) butthurt over people making FCs to get housing while refusing to leave your own FC....you're literally just getting mad over nothing. I dipped to Dynamis because housing and all of the people in my life prior to that are still in my life now, we literally just use cross-DC to hang out and I'm still in their servers on Discord. If a <TAG> next to your name is more important than actually getting your house, you don't need one that badly. If your FC is the type that would shut you out if you leave, why are you still there? They clearly don't care about your friendship.

It just makes very little sense to me over why people get mad over something they aren't willing to do in the first place. Like, the devs aren't going to magically change all but one ward to private housing. Is it scummy that some people chose to multi-own or make their own FC to get a house? Sure. Can I blame them? No. If your ties to your own FC are holding you back from doing the same then evaluate how badly you actually need that house and maybe hop off giving other people a hard time for being able to do what you refuse.

Also, if you're waiting for a specific plot to open because you absolutely can't imagine living in a "lowly small", then get in line with everyone else who wants that plot if you arent willinf to move to get it. Meanwhile those who are just happy to get something will already have theirs. This housing system leaves no room for being picky once it gets to the point that we're only getting 1 or 2 new houses at a time. Relocate later, that's the literal point of it.