[Housing] 1 House Per Service Account. 1 FC Per Service Account.

[kaynide]

Unpopular opinion, but remove personal houses entirely and make them FC only. Then have requirements of active membership of a certain number of individual service accounts; something like 2 for S, 4 for M and 8 for L. Not that demanding. Something like each active member must log in once a week…if at least 2/4/8 do among members, then all good.

Problem is I don’t think SE even keeps track of what characters are tied to what service accounts in most things. It’s very easy to get around what restrictions there are (1 FC house per service account officially is kind of a joke)

[Midareyukki]

Unpopular opinion, but remove personal houses entirely and make them FC only. Then have requirements of active membership of a certain number of individual service accounts; something like 2 for S, 4 for M and 8 for L. Not that demanding. Something like each active member must log in once a week…if at least 2/4/8 do among members, then all good.

Problem is I don’t think SE even keeps track of what characters are tied to what service accounts in most things. It’s very easy to get around what restrictions there are (1 FC house per service account officially is kind of a joke)

- Make all houses FC only?
Sure, can vibe with that, free up apartment space for personal houses + FC rooms I guess

- Have active membership for months to keep the house
And you definitely lost me on that one.

Even among large FCs you can't always expect there to be someone active for 8 months. That may happen in your FC, doesn't mean it's a norm nor that it should be expected.

Especially not in moments of content drought or lull between patches. Even moreso now that patches are dished out longer between eachother.

[True-to-Caesar]

Unpopular opinion, but remove personal houses entirely and make them FC only. Then have requirements of active membership of a certain number of individual service accounts; something like 2 for S, 4 for M and 8 for L. Not that demanding. Something like each active member must log in once a week…if at least 2/4/8 do among members, then all good.

Problem is I don’t think SE even keeps track of what characters are tied to what service accounts in most things. It’s very easy to get around what restrictions there are (1 FC house per service account officially is kind of a joke)

So you’re basically saying make this whole broken system even more in favor of the ward farmers.
Okay. You do realize these guys already own multiple accounts ?

[kaynide]

- Make all houses FC only?
Sure, can vibe with that, free up apartment space for personal houses + FC rooms I guess

- Have active membership for months to keep the house
And you definitely lost me on that one.

Even among large FCs you can't always expect there to be someone active for 8 months. That may happen in your FC, doesn't mean it's a norm nor that it should be expected.

Especially not in moments of content drought or lull between patches. Even moreso now that patches are dished out longer between eachother.

My FC is mostly on hiatus; we’d lose our houses most likely. But if you already need 1 person to stay on for 30 days to keep a house, why not 4 for an M, or 8 for an L?

It’s not a big ask considering how big FCs can be, and keeping FCs large enough to support a large house would mean more community, perhaps.

If people don’t like having minimum membership numbers, it’s just gonna be ganked by people exploiting loopholes with characters that never log in. Between my wife’s account and mine alone, I could easily make 2 8-man FCs with their own house using the above restrictions. Which keeps us in the same situation we are in now at 1 person having 1 house all to themselves.

[kaynide]

So you’re basically saying make this whole broken system even more in favor of the ward farmers.
Okay. You do realize these guys already own multiple accounts ?

If they are paying for 2 accounts, why not? They have every right if they are paying double admission for access to double the fun.

As is I pay for my wife’s account, so it’s not much different.

As I said, unpopular opinion. People aren’t going to like the fact that housing simply can’t be available for every player in the current situation without massive monthly server upkeep which takes away from other potential development.

So, either do instanced (ideal), or make it available for FCs only giving more people access.

[Midareyukki]

Honestly, I'll just drop this conversation altogether.

To me, this thread feels like it's nothing more than people salty about having lost an RNG game feeling even worse about there being a limited supply of something remarkably trivial in the game.

None of the solutions provided feel satisfactory. They don't feel fair nor realistic. They sound like people are incensed over literal salt, and that's just not how things should be done. They all seem to just try and punish people who already own a plot rather than specifically focus on the ones that have abused the system into the dredge we have now. They all seem to throw unpleasantness at people who already own a plot or have won simply because people feel their loss is unfair, or that their wins were unfair. There's no fairness to roulette any further than that which we allow for it. There are no rules other than a randomizer's.

Whenever there's a thread on something that people are rightfully angry at something, people eventually tell them to bring it down and be more modest. To be rational. To be realistic. That Square Enix cannot do things on a whim without fully assessing what needs to be done for that to work. And the same should be done for this thread.

Because your anger is valid: there is a lack of fairness, but it's not because people win or get to keep their plots. It's because there isn't enough around to begin with and the system isn't the best it could be. So people could really do with better ideas and acknowledging where the fault lies rather than making up ridiculous rules and arbitrary restrictions that probably don't even benefit themselves!

These "rules", these "restrictions", they're not going to help you. They're not going to help anyone. You think they will because it will free up some plots, but really you're punishing everyone for the ways of very select few.

Does anyone actually think when they come up with those rules?

And when the replies some people have are "You're from EU, you don't get to talk" or "You have a house, you don't know what it's like". Not only is it dismissive of people feeling empathy for you guys, it also dismisses the fact that the person likely also had to endure a lot of crap to get their house. It's reductive.

I know how that's like, even in EU. Sure. My current house was gifted. But that was a relocation years ago. My first house? I had to wait months and rush it before anyone else got there. And my FC house? We had to wait almost a year for Empyreum to get released for us to get one. Until this lottery thing, my friends camped nights in front of a placard, only to lose it to the ten other people botting. I know how hard it could get.
I know that a roulette loss will feel terrible. And I know that that sucks even if I won the one I participated in. I know because I can understand. I have empathy for you. But there are reasons for that, and it's not leashing people who did win that's suddenly going to make any of you feel better. You'll only alienate people who empathize.

Why are we literally fostering a witch hunt and fearmongering among people who own houses? Why are we okay with reductive arguments and restrictive behaviour when really we should just admit where the fault lies? Because if you guys owned a house under the same rules you make? You'd lose your house eventually, and in here you'd come crying your eyeballs out.

So yeah. Sorry, but I'm not sorry. This is so apparent to be a thread born from salt, and unfortunately there's no middle term here that I've seen that felt remotely thought out.

[Stormpeaks]

You keep saying this because you're on a very low pop EU server. Nearly all the NA houses outside of Dynamis will be taken by next cycle. This isn't about people being picky on NA.

I will assume you didnt read my post fully, over 400 houses are still with 0 bids on Brynhildr alone, you are on Balmung, in that particular case it's self inflicted. Feel free to move to Dynamis or to a different world with more housing availability, or ask for more wards for ONLY Balmung and very select worlds, EU does not need more wards, there are still so many plots available even on Cerberus or Ragnarok which are the biggest worlds for Europe. Let people take the goblet and empy plots, and then you can call it a housing crisis, until then, it's self inflicted, I want a Shiro 60 as main personal house, that's my wish, doesnt mean I'll get it, and in the meantime I'd gladly take a goblet 35 or 60. Stop bidding on a plot with 60 bids, while you have another large with 5 or less. This whole issue lies on the players and not on the system. There are so many instances that I could show of people REFUSING to bid on a plot right next door because the localization is a bit worse, they would rather bid on a plot with 14 bids, than one with 1 right behind it, because "muh beachfront". Stop it.

Not everyone wants one but there are far too few houses for the number of people who want one.

The amount of available houses say otherwise. It's widely available, the only problem is those damn 9 days cycle that make it agonizing to wait to see if you've won. And since a lot of people will ONLY bid on medium and large as long as they are available, well yes, they will lose.

[Mika_Zahard]

For all the people suggesting to have houses as FC only, thats how it worked long ago, and the wards were barely in use.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Why are we literally fostering a witch hunt and fearmongering among people who own houses? Why are we okay with reductive arguments and restrictive behaviour when really we should just admit where the fault lies? Because if you guys owned a house under the same rules you make? You'd lose your house eventually, and in here you'd come crying your eyeballs out.

I do personally believe that a lot of animosity that is thrown at house owners originates from a place of envy. And I can sympathize - as the system provides a much desired but limited resource. The creators of this system are ultimately at fault for that.

I feel like a far more viable solutions exist but I'm under the impression the developers have no interest in entertaining them.

[Senn]

Instanced housing should be implemented.
Demolition timer should be removed entirely.