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    Player Necrotica's Avatar
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    Dolly Derringer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Citation needed. You're inferring an intent that isn't stated in the content.

    I come back to this:


    Period. Anything more than this is conjecture and whataboutism. This is what the story (maybe poorly) tries to communicate.

    This is the basis of all the events that led up to and followed the Sundering. It's survival.

    The concepts from Buddhism and Utopia serve a philosophical and literary justification for it.

    You're all looking at it backwards.
    So there is nothing the Ancients could have said or done that would have stopped Venat from murdering all of them? Why did she even confront them in that cutscene then? Why wasn't she shown from a tower of light muttering "I do this for the sake of all life" with a tear running down her face?
    They show her passing judgement. She talks about how man must walk.

    Did she want to see their faces as she sundered their souls? To pretend like they had a chance to prove they could move forwaed even though she was going to kill them all anyway? How psychotic is this woman?
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    So there is nothing the Ancients could have said or done that would have stopped Venat from murdering all of them? Why did she even confront them in that cutscene then? Why wasn't she shown from a tower of light muttering "I do this for the sake of all life" with a tear running down her face?
    They show her passing judgement. She talks about how man must walk.

    Did she want to see their faces as she sundered their souls? To pretend like they had a chance to prove they could move forwaed even though she was going to kill them all anyway? How psychotic is this woman?
    Poor story telling, that scene isn't literal. She didn't sunder the world on a whim after a conversation with half a dozen snivelling scared old men. We know she had at least 12 other companions, and it certainly took more than raising her sword in the air to sunder an entire world into 14 reflections.
    The whole scene is metaphorical, due to time constraints because they crammed two expansions worth of story into one.
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    I did joke a bit with friends about how, while there was some good stuff in the Omicron quests, there was also that uneasy feeling when built off of 6.0: "There's no correct or incorrect way to exist! Everyone can be saved! Everyone can rediscover hope and the will to survive! ...except Those Ancient Guys, there was no saving them, sorry, they just point blank had to die no matter what. answers.ogg"
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    James Oakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Poor story telling, that scene isn't literal. She didn't sunder the world on a whim after a conversation with half a dozen snivelling scared old men. We know she had at least 12 other companions, and it certainly took more than raising her sword in the air to sunder an entire world into 14 reflections.
    The whole scene is metaphorical, due to time constraints because they crammed two expansions worth of story into one.
    Honestly I think that's pretty damning, they couldn't be bothered to portry one of the most import events on Etheryis but instead gave us a scene where Venat literally pronounces her whole race unfit for existence with a big showy speech while it's been generally othering the victims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brinne View Post
    I did joke a bit with friends about how, while there was some good stuff in the Omicron quests, there was also that uneasy feeling when built off of 6.0: "There's no correct or incorrect way to exist! Everyone can be saved! Everyone can rediscover hope and the will to survive! ...except Those Ancient Guys, there was no saving them, sorry, they just point blank had to die no matter what. answers.ogg"
    It's so odd, the story is all about hope other than that one group who don't deserve hope for some reason and can't be saved for some reason. (Even the murderer robots that glass planets deserve hope)
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    Last edited by jameseoakes; 01-26-2023 at 12:39 AM.