Can we have an official response on the RMT sub FC farms?

[SaintSeiros]

ahhh, ok. do you have any idea why they made it so that you can only purchase 1 FC house from the placard? seems like a bit of a pointless hassle.

It's to make it harder to buy a bunch of FC plots, all those changes were implemented to throw a wrench into FC re-sales.
Now you have to jump thourgh plenty of hoops, if you want to do that.

[Hozomeen]

It's to make it harder to buy a bunch of FC plots, all those changes were implemented to throw a wrench into FC re-sales.
Now you have to jump thourgh plenty of hoops, if you want to do that.

ah okay, so people found some loopholes. smart.

[TwistedTea]

Also, everyone who is heavily invested into submarines knows that it could be changed at any moment and it's probably not their only source of revenue.
You have to be decently rich to get it going in the first place, so don't you worry about them.

Yup. A lot of the veteran submariners were gil-rich (often gil capped) compared to the average player even before they got into submarines. A lot of them were/are crafter mains.

As a submariner who has been around since 2019 and in the sub discord, every single patch, we meme/troll the newbie submariners that Fight Club (meme name due to historical reasons for gil farming with submarines) has been nerfed.

A lot of people have this mistaken notion that nerfing submarines will somehow make multi-house owning submariners give up their houses/wards.

What they don't realize is that even if submarines were nerfed, house collecters/ward owners will still not give up their houses.

Just like those popular JP house designers who collect houses/wards and don't even use the workshop.

[Themarvin]

The answer to it all is what some would refer to as cruel if SE need to come with a proper solution and create equal ground for everyone... then there is only one solution.

1. Remove Grandfathering of multiple housing once and for all
2. Forcefully put down it is max 1 house and 1 FC per account, meaning you can only be master of one FC.
3. Take the workshop out of FC/Housing and let it be a place you goto for the FC that could be instanced the same way as Island Sanctuary... good place could be the Waking Sands Area and or Silver Bazaar area in Horizon...


Pros: More plots, no or much lesser abuse of the system, everyone got a fair shot at things.

Cons: A minority would complain about it endlessly, no worries they will be re-imbursed the plot costs, multiple subscriptions can still get more, but that is fair due to it is another paid subscription, some few may quit as well as they can't see or understand it should be the same rules for all and that some should not have special rights that tower over any other player in game.

Thoughts: As for PR for SE, it would be a drop in the Ocean, they can all fix it by the TOS, and they can also give a proper warning.

[Leathium]

Someone defending themselves from baseless accusations isn't making a "fuss". It's basically chasing off some lunatic who is pissing on your lawn, pretty normal i'd say.

Also, everyone who is heavily invested into submarines knows that it could be changed at any moment and it's probably not their only source of revenue.
You have to be decently rich to get it going in the first place, so don't you worry about them.

I don't see anyone accusing them in this topic by anything, yet they dip in the swimming pool and point their fingers at their face like "Please blame me and yell at me, remember me from the last topic? It's me!" Well a change should be done, not that I benefit or care for subs in any way or shape, I already love my house plot that I got back then in stormblood, one of the benefits I was looking at is the house plots is right next to a marketboard, and I kept it since then, but it's giga sucks for people who wanted a house to enjoy the "housing" content not the "subs gil printing" content, if enough people voice it out there will be a change, and the devs are already being pressured about it and trying to block all the way arounds for obtaining house plots, so? a change must be implemented, either sooner or later, because this is simply abusing/exploiting the system for personal greedy/selfish advantages over other players that simply want to enjoy the housing.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

I don't see anyone accusing them in this topic by anything, yet they dip in the swimming pool and point their fingers at their face like "Please blame me and yell at me, remember me from the last topic? It's me!" Well a change should be done, not that I benefit or care for subs in any way or shape, I already love my house plot that I got back then in stormblood, one of the benefits I was looking at is the house plots is right next to a marketboard, and I kept it since then, but it's giga sucks for people who wanted a house to enjoy the "housing" content not the "subs gil printing" content, if enough people voice it out there will be a change, and the devs are already being pressured about it and trying to block all the way arounds for obtaining house plots, so? a change must be implemented, either sooner or later, because this is simply abusing/exploiting the system for personal greedy/selfish advantages over other players that simply want to enjoy the housing.

Well given that the subject line conflates sub farms with RMT; I can see how folks can see it as accusatory.

Some folks are playing monopoly; it need not be for RMT honestly - its SUPER easy to "store" gil value in high gil items that can be recovered via liquidation.

[Nepentha]

Well given that the subject line conflates sub farms with RMT; I can see how folks can see it as accusatory.

Some folks are playing monopoly; it need not be for RMT honestly - its SUPER easy to "store" gil value in high gil items that can be recovered via liquidation.

Exactly. I'm not even a sub farmer in any traditional sense. I am an endgame crafter and I like playing the marketboard. I have nearly 2 billion gil.

Yet anytime people find out, the RMT thing gets thrown around. No, I neither buy nor sell gil with real money. I like seeing the score go up. I've also given away over a billion more gil to people to buy housing with no expectation of anything in return. (Other than I ask for screenshots of their new house when they get it.) I also spoil friends who don't enjoy money making or crafting/gathering. I support RP venues. Need a new uniform for your bar? I gotcha. Need emotes or glamours for your performance character? I'll get what you need. Without asking for or expecting anything in return.

I'm just tired of being told the only reason I make gil is to sell it, and these sorts of threads, even if not directly pointing at me, stir the bottom of the muck and muddy the waters all over again.

[MilkieTea]

Exactly. I'm not even a sub farmer in any traditional sense. I am an endgame crafter and I like playing the marketboard. I have nearly 2 billion gil.

Yet anytime people find out, the RMT thing gets thrown around. No, I neither buy nor sell gil with real money. I like seeing the score go up. I've also given away over a billion more gil to people to buy housing with no expectation of anything in return. (Other than I ask for screenshots of their new house when they get it.) I also spoil friends who don't enjoy money making or crafting/gathering. I support RP venues. Need a new uniform for your bar? I gotcha. Need emotes or glamours for your performance character? I'll get what you need. Without asking for or expecting anything in return.

I'm just tired of being told the only reason I make gil is to sell it, and these sorts of threads, even if not directly pointing at me, stir the bottom of the muck and muddy the waters all over again.

OH hey! I'm halfway to my first bil. My goal's to get to the point where I've got all my retainers maxxed out as well as myself. Maybe that's a bit OTT but... perdy number hurr durr. < a rough approximation of what I probably sound like to my FC mates.

[CatStarwind]

I've also given away over a billion more gil to people to buy housing with no expectation of anything in return. (Other than I ask for screenshots of their new house when they get it.) I also spoil friends who don't enjoy money making or crafting/gathering. I support RP venues. Need a new uniform for your bar? I gotcha. Need emotes or glamours for your performance character? I'll get what you need. Without asking for or expecting anything in return.

I think that's fantastic. It's just worth noting that as easy as it is for you to do that, it's just as easy for someone else to abuse it. That's what this thread is about. It's nothing to do with players like you or even any individual player period.

This thread is simply asking for an official stance by SE regarding the ghost towning of wards by crypto-like sub farms. Again no doubt most folks are benign in hoarding a communal resource but it would be very silly to assume that not a single one abuses it for RMT, even if it's just in exchange for a time card or Amazon wishlist.

It's also worth noting that the idea that everyone only gets one bid is patently false. FCs have the unique ability to place multiple bids on plots, only limited by their gil and characters. To try to imply a user with multiple gil cap worth is on a level playing field with the average player is misleading at best.

[Nepentha]

I think that's fantastic. It's just worth noting that as easy as it is for you to do that, it's just as easy for someone else to abuse it. That's what this thread is about. It's nothing to do with players like you or even any individual player period.

This thread is simply asking for an official stance by SE regarding the ghost towning of wards by crypto-like sub farms. Again no doubt most folks are benign in hoarding a communal resource but it would be very silly to assume that not a single one abuses it for RMT, even if it's just in exchange for a time card or Amazon wishlist.

It's also worth noting that the idea that everyone only gets one bid is patently false. FCs have the unique ability to place multiple bids on plots, only limited by their gil and characters. To try to imply a user with multiple gil cap worth is on a level playing field with the average player is misleading at best.

Yeah, but did you see in that last thread, people mocking what I said? That having gil cap+ couldn't possibly be because I like seeing the score go up or anything. *Clearly* anyone who does that is RMTing. Clearly. People imply it constantly and it really gets old. Threads like this do not help that perception.

As for FCs having multiple bids, I actually objected to this back when it was originally being discussed. YoshiP himself said it was by design and they were going through with it. So place your ire there.