Stop making bosses Teleport to center of arena for every mechanic!

[Tlamila]

That's like saying we should remove esuna-able debuffs, damage over time, etc. because there are certain healers that cant handle it or even have esuna on their hotbar. I'm not sure why we should cater to the "meat head brain dead tanks" in high-end content such as savage...

And look at the last dungeon, a whole set of esunable doom mechanics, despite most healers never using esuna.

Hell, the other day I had a nightmare neverending p8n that took half an hour cause the dps was just so low and healths went all the way down at any little hit. So what, if people not knowing how to position is a good reason to remove positioning cause casuals, should we just reduce drastically the hp of bosses, remove mechanics that deal damage and all just because people in df aren't so good at their class or don't gear up?

[NanaWiloh]

That's like saying we should remove esuna-able debuffs, damage over time, etc. because there are certain healers that cant handle it or even have esuna on their hotbar. I'm not sure why we should cater to the "meat head brain dead tanks" in high-end content such as savage...





Then why does it also happen in content that doesn't have trusts in mind aka normal and savage raids?

What??? lol I am talking common sense..

[ThaCa]

Would be nice for Tanks to get to do Tank things, if they keep things as they are going right now, then might as well give Tanks a DPS kit with only few big damage mitigation cooldowns.

[Jeeqbit]

Would be nice for Tanks to get to do Tank things, if they keep things as they are going right now, then might as well give Tanks a DPS kit with only few big damage mitigation cooldowns.

They do have that though.

They can't go further and do things like positionals because sometime they are stuck in front of the boss.

[baklava151]

I think there's a wider conversation you could have about tanks where 95% of the fight they're not really doing tank things, for this tier at least. You have the obligatory 3-4 TBs per fight that you always hit a bunch of mits for and autos which aren't super frequent and usually more for the healer to handle, but outside of those you're a gimped melee most of the fight doing the exact same mechanics everyone else is doing.

[BubblyBoar]

Lots of people not really owning up to the consequences of the changes they cried for. It's hilarious. Dev listen to feedback? Everything bad that happens afterward is their fault. They don't listen to feedback? The devs don't listen to our concerns when we are trying to make the game better.


Effectively the statement is "when things go right I get credit and when they go wrong it's someone else's fault."

[Jeeqbit]

I think there's a wider conversation you could have about tanks where 95% of the fight they're not really doing tank things, for this tier at least. You have the obligatory 3-4 TBs per fight that you always hit a bunch of mits for and autos which aren't super frequent and usually more for the healer to handle, but outside of those you're a gimped melee most of the fight doing the exact same mechanics everyone else is doing.

That's actually a really good point. There have been a lot of fights in the past where the tanks do completely different - sometimes more distracting mechanics that they wouldn't give to the DPS who are really busy.

Although the tank busters are more of a handful than previous ones and quite frequent, having dots, being double-busters or double-swaps one after the other for each tank, being RNG like in P6S and P7S where it might be one type of tank buster or another type. In P8S Part 2 there is the mechanic of being together for autos but not for the buster. In the previous tier, the P1S had us knocked back while doing swaps, RNG between stack and flare, or did the knockback swap in the middle of other mechanics to distract you. P3S had us grabbing tethers from the party for TBs. These unique mechanics are all variations of tank busters, but to be fair, there is more to consider with them than the old kind that didn't have dots, RNG or require double swaps.

It does feel like making unique mechanics is probably harder, since there isn't a lot of room anymore with those giant hitboxes, but maybe it's just SE isn't giving me much inspiration yet.

Lots of people not really owning up to the consequences of the changes they cried for. It's hilarious. Dev listen to feedback? Everything bad that happens afterward is their fault. They don't listen to feedback? The devs don't listen to our concerns when we are trying to make the game better.

I agree with this for most things, especially most of the job action changes, which even if you disagree stemmed from people who were asking for them. Like how the requests to get rid of parry and physical blocks led to the homogenization of mitigation, because things like parry and physical/magical are what made them unique.

[Avoidy]

Agreed. If it's just gonna lock in the center every time anyway, might as well make it a wall boss. I tanked the new dungeon and felt nothing but disappointment.

[Vahlnir]

At the end of the day it's still the devs putting changes in place, down to every little detail. To say players are to blame when the power to make decisions is not in the players' hands whatsoever is just wrong. The devs make the game, hold them responsible for changes that are done (good and bad ones).

When it comes to a lot of things, especially lately, I would argue that both parties are to blame.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Lots of people not really owning up to the consequences of the changes they cried for. It's hilarious. Dev listen to feedback? Everything bad that happens afterward is their fault. They don't listen to feedback? The devs don't listen to our concerns when we are trying to make the game better.


Effectively the statement is "when things go right I get credit and when they go wrong it's someone else's fault."

Its honestly the hypocrisy with the general community. People just dont want to admit that maybe they were wrong and rather just act like babies and play the blame game on the team. Again, not trying to excuse the development team for their decisions and implementations for them, but with this team that does indeed take feedback and communicate to us a lot more than most other MMO titles, we also should expect that perhaps many of our desires for this game isnt as well thought out.

I'll admit, Im part of this crowd that wanted the combat and fight design to be easier to follow and it clearly shows with what we have currently.