It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[VerdeLuck]

My opinion is that your requested 'feature' would detract from the overall game. In large part because of the fact that it would be more negative than positive, I think there are much better things they could be working on. I don't think your opinion is invalid, I just disagree. Nice of you to discard my opinion because it doesn't align with yours though. Very cool.

Yes there again, you think it's a waste of time for dev time, you think they should work on other things, not that you object to the requested feature. That's not a valid complaint. That's you trying to play project manager and shut down suggestions.

[MaxCarnage]

Yes there again, you think it's a waste of time for dev time, you think they should work on other things, not that you object to the requested feature. That's not a valid complaint. That's you trying to play project manager and shut down suggestions.

With that person's logic, I could say that all glamour is a waste of the devs time. Have them focus on gameplay and duties instead of introducing the same ponytail with slight variations or the same skirt in different colours! Wonder how much dev time is wasted on that? /ponder

[Joven]

You are so wishy-washy with mod usage. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))
When I first suggested it, you immediately pulled out the "Mods are against the ToS" shtick but now you just pull it out all willy-nilly. What is the narrative you are trying to go for?
I will add this: Mods are player made. If players want something player-side that isn't supported by the devs, they can use them. ٩(｡•ω•｡)و

It's not wishy-washy at all. Mods are against the ToS. As such most people aren't willing to risk their accounts for something like this which is why it's a suggested feature. Those that mod are already altering your character apperance against your consent and yet you are none the wiser for it because it does not affect your game. Same with this feature.

In your opinion. I and others disagree, and feel that being able to disable other people's glamours detracts from the game.

That is also your opinion.

As for instant portraits, they're hardly important at all, which was kind of my tongue in cheek point. But at least they're a positive addition by adding to the system and expanding on the social elements of the game, rather than trying to stifle them.

Again your opinion. I find them annoying.

Then I will also request an option to dress up people in whatever glam I desire as well. Because if your argument hinges on '' it has no effect on you '' then such an option should be on the works as well as one that disables glamour.

I see nothing wrong with this.

[Xylira]

No. It’s because you are willfully ignoring some of the info in the argument you are against. Like the part where it has no effect on you. Or the part where no one enjoys what you are wearing the way you do and that also has no effect on you

I'm not ignoring it, I just think that people need to learn how to cope better.

'But people disabling your glamour doesn't effect you!'

Uh-huh, not unlike you seeing other people's glamours you dislike doesn't really effect you in any more or less of a meaningful and substantive way than players knowing their glamours aren't being seen by other players. Both positions are a matter of personal opinion, and neither are more or less valid than the other.

That said however, the glamour system was made with the intent that other players see what you choose to glamour onto your character. SE also knowingly added plenty of silly cosmetics that can be used with the glamour system. Other players making silly glamours you may not approve of is within the intended bounds of the system. If it really bothers you that much, you have options. But expecting SE to spend time overhauling the glamour system in a manner that arguably runs counter to the whole purpose of it, is an odd position to take.

[Kolaina]

I'm not ignoring it, I just think that people need to learn how to cope better.

'But people disabling your glamour doesn't effect you!'

Uh-huh, not unlike you seeing other people's glamours you dislike doesn't really effect you in any more or less of a meaningful and substantive way than players knowing their glamours aren't being seen by other players. Both positions are a matter of personal opinion, and neither are more or less valid than the other.

Ok let’s break this down so you understand.

1. It’s already been said that for some people this is immersion breaking. That is an effect on someone else

2. Someone having this feature doesn’t turn off your glamour to you. You would be oblivious to the fact they are or are not using it. Therefor this has no effect on those in glamour

3. Neither 1 nor 2 are opinion. Those are facts

[Xylira]

Ok let’s break this down so you understand.

1. It’s already been said that for some people this is immersion breaking. That is an effect on someone else

2. Someone having this feature doesn’t turn off your glamour to you. You would be oblivious to the fact they are or are not using it. Therefor this has no effect on those in glamour

3. Neither 1 nor 2 are opinion. Those are facts

FFXIV draws from all prior installments of Final Fantasy, which includes more modern settings and lighthearted aesthetics, as well as anything new SE wishes to add to the game. Anything SE decides to include in the game fits within the realm of the game's canon, because SE decides what is canon, not you, not me, not anyone else. Ergo, everything you can glamour in the game is lore appropriate, whether you like it or not. Other player's glamours are not immersion breaking, you're just overly picky about what you personally find acceptable.

Furthermore, adding an option to disable other player's glamours runs contrary to the social aspect of the game. I can't speak to the exact reasons why they were added, but I can surmise that the reason the glamour system, and by extension adventure plates and instant portraits, exist is to leverage the social aspect of the game. Giving players avenues to express themselves to other players by personalizing their characters is a fairly core feature to many MMORPGs with regards to keeping players better engaged. Adding an option to disable other player's glamours would invalidate the purpose of the aforementioned features and detract from the overall game.

[Kolaina]

Other player's glamours are not immersion breaking, you're just overly picky about what you personally find acceptable.

Considering the bolding, this is directed at me and not the general population. Try going a few pages back where I say I don’t care what people wear. I just don’t think others should be forced to see glamours if they don’t want.

Your bolding makes you seem mad and on the attack…. against someone in a clown outfit. Yes, I must clearly care what others around me wear. Get a grip.

Again, being able to adjust what you see has no impact on those around them. Nor does it take anything from you. Stop getting so heated over people not wanting to see your costume. It’s really not a big deal when people aren’t into your choice of style

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Again, being able to adjust what you see has no impact on those around them. Nor does it take anything from you. Stop getting so heated over people not wanting to see your costume. It’s really not a big deal when people aren’t into your choice of style

Its also possible to just not look at it, respect that persons style & glam; even if its not your taste, and go on about your day.
Instead of trying to force them out of total existence or change them.
Doesnt hurt you or effect you. Its really not a big deal that people exist that dont share your style or opinion of what good fashion is. Or just like their glam that you dont like.

[Joven]

Its also possible to just not look at it, respect that persons style & glam; even if its not your taste, and go on about your day.
Instead of trying to force them out of total existence or change them.
Doesnt hurt you or effect you. Its really not a big deal that people exist that dont share your style or opinion of what good fashion is. Or just like their glam that you dont like.

When you're stuck in a duty it's kind of hard to "just not look at it" and like I said to another person on here: since we're so keen on telling others what to do then just wear something else.

Also, for the billionth time, this isn't forcing anyone to do anything.

[Xylira]

Considering the bolding, this is directed at me and not the general population. Try going a few pages back where I say I don’t care what people wear. I just don’t think others should be forced to see glamours if they don’t want.

Your bolding makes you seem mad and on the attack…. against someone in a clown outfit. Yes, I must clearly care what others around me wear. Get a grip.

Again, being able to adjust what you see has no impact on those around them. Nor does it take anything from you. Stop getting so heated over people not wanting to see your costume. It’s really not a big deal when people aren’t into your choice of style

Way to try and entirely sidestep the substance of my refutation of your points, and trying to pivot into tone policing. If you don't have a counter aruegment, that's fine, but no need to resort to ad hominems