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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Unless FFXIV becomes an actual video game in 7.0 I can't see how in the world this game will manage to pull off its alleged "10 year plan." You can't hope to keep this game running with a story that generated the most backlash in the past decade and doubling down on it further with progressively lazier and moralizing writing, jobs getting ruined left and right, and absolutely 0 response to any of these problems. But I guess the Limsa crowd will enjoy their graphics upgrade so the game looks like it came out in 2015 instead of 2010, whereas most others will be off playing whatever's slated to come out around 7.0, like FFVII Remake Part 2, etc.
    You seem to be confusing percentages with pure numbers. EW blew away every other expansion in the size of its playerbase, and also saw a significant influx of players from WoW (which is a rather different kind of MMO). Simple math says that EW will likely have the most anything in terms of pure numbers, whether good, bad, or anything in-between. Speaking frankly, based on its playerbase, EW's "backlash" has been minimal. It's come down to a few dozen posters here on this one forum complaining incessantly. Go to just a single YT video on EW and you'll likely find hundreds of people posting about how much they enjoyed EW and how meaningful it was for them.

    Heck, when Soken revealed he was recovering from cancer back in ShB, a group of 40 musicians put together a tribute for him. When "Close in the Distance" came out for EW, a group of 1000 people submitted voice recordings to create a fan-made version of it. Again - when you have by far the largest number of people playing, you will also likely have the largest # of people doing anything (including complaining or creating "backlash"). In terms of the size of the playerbase? The "backlash" is minuscule. Frankly, I can easily see the next "10-year plan" going off quite well given the current trajectory of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Heck, when Soken revealed he was recovering from cancer back in ShB, a group of 40 musicians put together a tribute for him. When "Close in the Distance" came out for EW, a group of 1000 people submitted voice recordings to create a fan-made version of it. Again - when you have by far the largest number of people playing, you will also likely have the largest # of people doing anything (including complaining or creating "backlash"). In terms of the size of the playerbase? The "backlash" is minuscule. Frankly, I can easily see the next "10-year plan" going off quite well given the current trajectory of the game.
    I would not normally respond to you under any circumstances but the fact that you came in here with the emotional manipulation angle has driven me to do so.

    I do not care whether or not the music dude had cancer or not - my issue is with other sectors of the game pertaining to story and gameplay and the fact that you brought this up to back up your gotcha is behavior that you should strongly reconsider.

    Do not use other people's health as a weapon in an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I do not care whether or not the music dude had cancer or not - my issue is with other sectors of the game pertaining to story and gameplay and the fact that you brought this up to back up your gotcha is behavior that you should strongly reconsider.

    Do not use other people's health as a weapon in an argument.

    This wasn't a Gotcha or a Weapon.
    Its an example and proof that this games community is large and strong. And that this 'backlash' is quite small despite how much you like act like its huge.
    Not to discount any of them. But in the grand scheme its quite small compared to people who love and enjoy the game.
    Which was his point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I would not normally respond to you under any circumstances but the fact that you came in here with the emotional manipulation angle has driven me to do so.

    I do not care whether or not the music dude had cancer or not - my issue is with other sectors of the game pertaining to story and gameplay and the fact that you brought this up to back up your gotcha is behavior that you should strongly reconsider.

    Do not use other people's health as a weapon in an argument.
    Way to not get the point you absolute dorkfish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Way to not get the point you absolute dorkfish.
    I mean aveyond wouldn't get subtlety unless it hit them in the face.... case in point the food scenes etc. I want to understand some of the views they're making but they tarnish it with this bullying mentality to others who don't agree. Heavensward was a great experience but technically even that undone 'death' for instance. Also had many light moments or scenes that could of been darker but didn't. The games age rating is 13+ not saying you can't right more grittier stories...but comparing even to 16 which is the first mainline mature title outside of the spinoffs is silly. Just cause you put blood, sex, violence doesn't make something gritty or dark. There has been plenty of dark scenes in 14 all throughout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CStrife912 View Post
    I mean aveyond wouldn't get subtlety unless it hit them in the face.... case in point the food scenes etc. I want to understand some of the views they're making but they tarnish it with this bullying mentality to others who don't agree. Heavensward was a great experience but technically even that undone 'death' for instance. Also had many light moments or scenes that could of been darker but didn't. The games age rating is 13+ not saying you can't right more grittier stories...but comparing even to 16 which is the first mainline mature title outside of the spinoffs is silly. Just cause you put blood, sex, violence doesn't make something gritty or dark. There has been plenty of dark scenes in 14 all throughout.
    Yet according to the OP if you liked Heavensward then you should also love Heavensward 2 even if it's exactly the same with maybe a small twist. I.E all the Scions even the ones we just got or haven't had much screen time dead and probably even some of the state leaders also dying cause why not. With Garlemald somehow raising from the ashes like some kind if Phoenix and at the strength they were at at the start of ARR where they took over all of the three continents. Oh and ah no food sceens or light banter until the .4 patch cause any time before then would be too soon. Oh and um Magnai finally showed that godawful Sadu how much of a chad he is. While Zenos was brought back from the dead with of half of Ul'dah or some crap used as a sacrifice to make it happen cause that's the sort of thing he says he'd enjoy. That you by just also enjoying Heavensward should also want and will end up liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SannaR View Post
    Yet according to the OP if you liked Heavensward then you should also love Heavensward 2 even if it's exactly the same with maybe a small twist. I.E all the Scions even the ones we just got or haven't had much screen time dead and probably even some of the state leaders also dying cause why not. With Garlemald somehow raising from the ashes like some kind if Phoenix and at the strength they were at at the start of ARR where they took over all of the three continents. Oh and ah no food sceens or light banter until the .4 patch cause any time before then would be too soon. Oh and um Magnai finally showed that godawful Sadu how much of a chad he is. While Zenos was brought back from the dead with of half of Ul'dah or some crap used as a sacrifice to make it happen cause that's the sort of thing he says he'd enjoy. That you by just also enjoying Heavensward should also want and will end up liking.
    Damn you may have written their perfect expansion don't do that again get out :P jkjk

    Heavenward and stormblood both had fake-out deaths.....not saying who just in case but it occurred in them as well. They had downtime, they had filler, they had levity in spades....Maybe if we got the original concept of the Garlemald expansion first then we wouldn't have to endure this incessant whining but that is another timeline...maybe where there is more than 27 million registered users and rising.
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