Open Discussion about 6.3 Balance Changes (if anyone cares)

[Garten]

Feel like the one change I've actually noticed and appreciate is my Bard Limit Break being a little more effective, still wish it had a degree of damage dealing or crowd control to put it on the level of most other LBs though. As a whole I don't feel I'm seeing enough changes on the patch notes to be confident that there will be any real difference or changes in the balancing of Frontline. I thought with what I read in the love letter that maybe the devs understood that they'd need to have different rules or some different abilities in FL concerning crowd control or debuff immunity as well as cheesy one hit gimmicks but it seems they're trying to stick to having things in CC and FL run exactly the same.

I remember when i started doing seriously CC and Frontline with the new kits i started obsessively studing ALL dps kits, by searching rotations online etcetera..
remember that Ninja was BEYOND all other dps in potencies...
Sure, Ninja has more versatility, shield, heal etc, but that is at cost of their dps. All skills directly comparable are lower potencies than other melees so...
guess i'll jump on monk train...

[Gserpent]

I remember when i started doing seriously CC and Frontline with the new kits i started obsessively studing ALL dps kits, by searching rotations online etcetera..
remember that Ninja was BEYOND all other dps in potencies...
Sure, Ninja has more versatility, shield, heal etc, but that is at cost of their dps. All skills directly comparable are lower potencies than other melees so...
guess i'll jump on monk train...

If you think NIN is bad after the changes then you will be just as weak as a MNK as you were as NIN. The problem ain't the class, it's you.

[Garten]

If you think NIN is bad after the changes then you will be just as weak as a MNK as you were as NIN. The problem ain't the class, it's you.

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

[Valence]

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

Yes it's worst since it's gotten a nerf. What's your point about it?

You keep dodging the fact that we're telling you the job still performs more than just fine, and according to you, it doesn't. Which is fine, you're entitled to your opinion, although I have yet to read any rational argument about it.

[Towa-Musa]

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

not really, it feels much the same.

[Gserpent]

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

It's pretty much unchanged in any meaningful aspect.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I could say the same with every class you play.. answer my question: is ninja worse now than before?

Objectively speaking - yes it is.

Reasonably speaking - no it isn't. The only thing that realistically changed for you is that you can't escape fights as frequently and have to be more methodical, which is hardly a problem given how many ranged moves you have as NIN. At 20s for your teleport along with access to an additional heal and a shield, you have plenty of survival options. NIN is a jack-of-all-trades, so dialing it back a bit doesn't hurt it that much.

[Garten]

Objectively speaking - yes it is.

Reasonably speaking - no it isn't. The only thing that realistically changed for you is that you can't escape fights as frequently and have to be more methodical, which is hardly a problem given how many ranged moves you have as NIN. At 20s for your teleport along with access to an additional heal and a shield, you have plenty of survival options. NIN is a jack-of-all-trades, so dialing it back a bit doesn't hurt it that much.

Yes i have to admit my question was a bit without point, i think the problem is i didn't say what i really wanted to say and i apologize xD

1) First of all i found that my problem came probably from an habit point of view: so if i press shukuchi, i don't look at my bar, my mind start counting subconsciously from 15 and THINK that shukuchi is ready (but it is not anymore). but i guess i'm starting to adjust by now..
2) what i wanted to say but i expressed poorly, is that i am sad that ninja keep getting nerfed BECAUSE i think people OVERESTIMATE it. I keep seeing even in this forum, posts like: break ninja knees, and so on!
Ninja is strong, but is not OP. I see people saying that ninja has heal, has shields, have damage etc, but the point is that it can not do everything AT ONCE. Its strenghts come from nice dmg (ok) and adaptibility imho.
3) Ninja main perks comes with a "server cost": a) Shukuchi-> 90% of the time i teleport, even after the full animation i get attacked by smt and lose my hide. b) LB -> 50% of the times it does not goes off if i do not attack someone guarding or stunned, cause even if i count ONE ENTIRE MISSISIPY during animation, and after that mississipi the target heal himself, my oneshot will not go off. (and i'll do shit dmg)

So to summarize my point is: Ninja is probably a strong class, and i love it in FL cause i think it is THE ONLY one capable to countering TANKS and strong melees (wanna talk about monks shields? or drg invuln lb? and of course other ninjas) that have also a lot of DR%. BUT it is not OP IMHO, SO pls stop with nerfing it, even if the nerfs are little

edit: i replied to you but tbh this was just a general answer to everybody
edit2: i forgot another thing, PERSONALLY, ninja teleport is the worst cause it needs 2 steps to activates. i PERSONALLY would prefer if it was just an istant dash forward, or at least i would love if there was a macro to do it.