Paladin Updates

[Aceofspades]

"If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade"


Just curious, is that the actual order in wich you perform those abilities?

[Alerith]

"If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade"

Just curious, is that the actual order in wich you perform those abilities?

This is the ideal order to use your abilities if they are all up and you have 1750 TP. (Assuming no misses)

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

Aegis Boon allows for a 100% for sure shield block on the next physical attack or TP ability. Because of that, you can then War Drum right after for enmity as well as Phalanx to begin your first combo.

Assuming Phalanx hits, you then have enough time to use Bloodbath (because you'll likely take some damage before your next WS) then Rampart for an enmity boost before using Spirit's Within for damage and enmity.

If you had enough TP when you started the ability string, you can now use Fast Blade followed by Savage Blade, then you run through your enemy to the rear and use Goring Blade for damage and bleeding.

Tack Flash and Divine Veil onto the end and you'll be golden.

[Aceofspades]

This is the ideal order to use your abilities if they are all up and you have 1750 TP. (Assuming no misses)

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

Aegis Boon allows for a 100% for sure shield block on the next physical attack or TP ability. Because of that, you can then War Drum right after for enmity as well as Phalanx to begin your first combo.

Assuming Phalanx hits, you then have enough time to use Bloodbath (because you'll likely take some damage before your next WS) then Rampart for an enmity boost before using Spirit's Within for damage and enmity.

If you had enough TP when you started the ability string, you can now use Fast Blade followed by Savage Blade, then you run through your enemy to the rear and use Goring Blade for damage and bleeding.

Tack Flash and Divine Veil onto the end and you'll be golden.

I dont intend to sound like a smart ass or anything , but, I now understand why you have some hate controll issues. If i may be soo bold and put up some sequences in wich you may want to try

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > Flash > Voke > Phalanx > Spirit's Within >War Drum (keep in mind if you already have enough tp for war drum and or phalanx i would use those first but otherwise this set up buys you a few seconds to build a bit of tp while keeping all your hate moves inside that 10 second buff timer of Sentinel.)

Rampart dose build hate but a few things to know, only realy works if you use it and multiple people get it, the more people who get the buff the greater the hate generation and it dosent get better with sent.

Also AOE cures (when ever you can, helps to have that on a macro) also gens hate realy well, but the heal must actually regen HP back to the target/s HP bar

as far as the other weapon skills , the only other one that is designed to gen hate and has been improved for doing soo is
fast blade > flat blade. true this one dosent do much damage at all but it has fast cool down times and very low tp requirements soo that helps with being able to spam it ALOT , also anytime you can spam sheild bash ( after having done your combos) it also genrates hate.

its a bit to have to do , wich is why i put self cures on macros , but once you do that, hate gen, damage deflection and self cures are too easy to not have to do, your cartoon (altho funny as hell) is not what PLD "should feel like" . If done correctly PLD should feel like a Pianist playing a song, alot of button mashing sure, but if done with ryme and reason, and timing it gose smoothly and damage deflection is outstanding. Hate control is up to par and self heals (when needed ) are always available.

[Alerith]

I dont intend to sound like a smart ass or anything , but, I now understand why you have some hate controll issues. If i may be soo bold and put up some sequences in wich you may want to try

I never said I have hate issues. In fact, I DONT' have hate issues. I'm at the forefront of those saying PLD doesn't have a problem holding hate, because it doesn't. BUT, let's look at your suggestion.

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > Flash > Voke > Phalanx > Spirit's Within >War Drum (keep in mind if you already have enough tp for war drum and or phalanx i would use those first but otherwise this set up buys you a few seconds to build a bit of tp while keeping all your hate moves inside that 10 second buff timer of Sentinel.)

Putting Flash and Provoke where you have them severely limits the already short window you have to get off Phalanx and makes it near impossible to get War Drum off in the order in which you have it. Also, if you're using abilities, you aren't meleeing, which means you aren't building TP.

Rampart dose build hate but a few things to know, only realy works if you use it and multiple people get it, the more people who get the buff the greater the hate generation and it dosent get better with sent.

The chances that you'll get multiple people in your Rampart varies from battle to battle. You should not be NOT using it because you're the only one that will benefit. It's still a damage reduction move and you shouldn't be uber conservative with it.

Also AOE cures (when ever you can, helps to have that on a macro) also gens hate realy well, but the heal must actually regen HP back to the target/s HP bar

For many given situations a PLD would be tanking, you shouldn't need AoE cures, and individually curing party members with Holy Succor would be far more beneficial. I don't know what you're fighting, but if your PLD is curing for hate with AoE cures, then something is going wrong.

as far as the other weapon skills , the only other one that is designed to gen hate and has been improved for doing soo is
fast blade > flat blade. true this one dosent do much damage at all but it has fast cool down times and very low tp requirements soo that helps with being able to spam it ALOT ,

The combo effect from Fast/Flat Blade is indeed enmity, but the Fast/Savage/Goring combo does good damage and the bleeding effect from Goring is of tremendous assistance. Goring Blade has a cooldown that is such you would use the Fast/Savage/Goring combo then move to Fast/Flat until F/S/G is available again.

also anytime you can spam sheild bash ( after having done your combos) it also genrates hate.

DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT just spam Shield Bash. Shield Bash should be held until the mob is readying a TP move or Spell, or if you must stun the enemy to survive.

Spamming shield bash is actually a horrible idea.

your cartoon (altho funny as hell) is not what PLD "should feel like" . If done correctly PLD should feel like a Pianist playing a song

I don't use macros, so it's more akin to the image in my sig.

in light of that, mp regen , altho very minimal , dose exist within the PLD realm. cool, kinda changes things, but not by much, looks like those High block shields may have just become more valuable then.

Stacking Divine Veil with Outmaneuver is an excellent MP restore, especially the harder the enemy hits you.



To be completely honest, you don't seem to understand how to play the job to it's potential. Your suggestions are good on an elementary level, but they aren't going to make you competitive. You're stuck in basic play of the job and you don't seem to grasp all the mechanics of your abilities.

Spend some more time with the job, then re-assess your thoughts.

[Aceofspades]

I never said I have hate issues. In fact, I DONT' have hate issues. I'm at the forefront of those saying PLD doesn't have a problem holding hate, because it doesn't. BUT, let's look at your suggestion.



Putting Flash and Provoke where you have them severely limits the already short window you have to get off Phalanx and makes it near impossible to get War Drum off in the order in which you have it. Also, if you're using abilities, you aren't meleeing, which means you aren't building TP.



The chances that you'll get multiple people in your Rampart varies from battle to battle. You should not be NOT using it because you're the only one that will benefit. It's still a damage reduction move and you shouldn't be uber conservative with it.



For many given situations a PLD would be tanking, you shouldn't need AoE cures, and individually curing party members with Holy Succor would be far more beneficial. I don't know what you're fighting, but if your PLD is curing for hate with AoE cures, then something is going wrong.



The combo effect from Fast/Flat Blade is indeed enmity, but the Fast/Savage/Goring combo does good damage and the bleeding effect from Goring is of tremendous assistance. Goring Blade has a cooldown that is such you would use the Fast/Savage/Goring combo then move to Fast/Flat until F/S/G is available again.




DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT just spam Shield Bash. Shield Bash should be held until the mob is readying a TP move or Spell, or if you must stun the enemy to survive.

Spamming shield bash is actually a horrible idea.



I don't use macros, so it's more akin to the image in my sig.



Stacking Divine Veil with Outmaneuver is an excellent MP restore, especially the harder the enemy hits you.



To be completely honest, you don't seem to understand how to play the job to it's potential. Your suggestions are good on an elementary level, but they aren't going to make you competitive. You're stuck in basic play of the job and you don't seem to grasp all the mechanics of your abilities.

Spend some more time with the job, then re-assess your thoughts.

hmm, maybe i should post a video of my next fight soo no more asumptions are made on my play style or skill. Also, sheild bash on high level mobs tend to do nothing for interuption but if it lands damage it dose create hate well wich is why i spam it. And I dont have issues with getting those abilities off in the 10 second timer... not sure what your issue with that is, and you do build tp soo long as your taking some damage, wich is why i do buffs after initial hate abilties. As far as your Idea of damage > hate for combos, not on a tank, damage is not only not your job but shouldnt be your priority

[Alerith]

hmm, maybe i should post a video of my next fight soo no more asumptions are made on my play style or skill. Also, sheild bash on high level mobs tend to do nothing for interuption but if it lands damage it dose create hate well wich is why i spam it. And I dont have issues with getting those abilities off in the 10 second timer... not sure what your issue with that is, and you do build tp soo long as your taking some damage, wich is why i do buffs after initial hate abilties. As far as your Idea of damage > hate for combos, not on a tank, damage is not only not your job but shouldnt be your priority

I have to head out now...I'll respond to this when I get home.....good lord...

[Aceofspades]

oh and somthing i forgot, not sure if its devine veil or not, but it apears as tho my block rate DRAMTICLY increases with devine veil, so if you did not get either war drum or phlanax off with ageis boon, just pop devine veil and the option should open up

[Daniel_Fury]

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

I read somewhere that this is broken? Apparently it doesn't work on actions at the moment, and only for damage. I'll try dig up the reference.

[RyuXenos]

My Suggestion for a change is easy. Add a job-trait, Auto-Regen, (and maybe Auto-Regen II), that will allow the Paladin to recover HP without needing to expend MP. An increase of DEF would be great as well.

I view Paladins as "Arcane Defenders" so they should be bad-ass damage takers (tanks), whereas Wars should be more Damage Dealers; but, as I see it right now, Paladins are gimped, and I can say that having my only 50 at this time being one. Nobody wants them for parties. :-\