Paladin Updates

[Arcell]

I thought you were supposed to sidestep onrush, I see your point about parry, but i fail to see why you'd let it hit you anyway if you can block something aegis boon would have reduced it to 0 and given you life, also.

Well neither of us had fought Buffalo in a while so I may have forgotten that bit, the point still stands though. Block does jack shit mitigating damage outside of Aegis Boon. Mine was down so I took that hit, shit like that happens.

[Gao]

the immense amount of damage WAR does in comparison, which equals so much more hate it's ridiculous. Add to that the 1k additional HP, Rampage +Crits and Antagonize/Sentinel + Vengeance you've just got way more tanking potential.

Sounds just about right to me.

[TirionCrey]

I thought you were supposed to sidestep onrush, I see your point about parry, but i fail to see why you'd let it hit you anyway if you can block something aegis boon would have reduced it to 0 and given you life, also.

I would like to see you "sidestep" Onrush...it's not like 100ton Swing/Swipe, it has no "casting" time, when he uses it, he uses it...hence the reason why everyone is tanking Buffalo against a wall, so they don't get knocked away by Onrush...why don't you just stop posting on Tank discussions, please?

[Peptaru]

Quiet little troll.

[TirionCrey]

Quiet little troll.

Do I sense some self-awareness here?

[Aceofspades]

My own LS members began to doubt my ability to sustain enough hate to compair to that of WAR. This posed a challange, soo i did what I normally do when I come across a chalenge. I rose to the ocasion (keep in mind, i had serious doubts myself i could do this). Until today , the biggest edge i gave WAR was hate control, because untill today I just had a hard time maintaining sufficent hate to keep it with my BLMs (scoring over 12-15k damage a fight) going all out, none stop nuking. PLD (imo) has superior healing abilities, and damage defelction. Soo truly the only real challange in my eyes was the hate control (i dont see the great need of a tank to deal damage, sure it would be nice, but frankly taking less damage and self curing is more benificial to the party.)
After some tweeking of my action bars (i never used to use macros) I found , not only did I maintain hate but my two hardest hitting THM/BLMs (15k+ damage a run) couldnt get out of yellow hate. I did notice tho because i was focusing soo much on hate controll and damage deflection I neglected my healing ablities simply cuz it was to dificult to get to fast enough. This is where i created my very first ever "battle macros" very simple macros , simply one for Holy Sucor and one for cure but it was effective no the less.
After I made these adjustments our group was able to do 4 speed runs outa 6 atemps. for some this is not impresive , but for a LS that dosent spend its every waking moment on the game, we were happy with our performance. Confidant now that no matter how much damage is delt I can keep hate , we are currently seeking better ways to deal DPS to Ifrit to challange our fastest time (8:45 ). We did take parses for those intrested, will post them as soon as my peeps send em to me.
As far as deflecting magic damage. IMO the only real tank option that has magic damage deflection built into it is PLD, or GLD. I think our current tanks are underestimating the usefullnes of stone skin. Realy fast cool downs, deflects a great deal of damage (both magical and physical) and takes realativly little mp. I use it soo much i keep it on my main bar right next to Devine Veil.
I did equip the gear i normally use during this fight on my war and just a fyi, after i did so, WAR's HP went down dramaticly, the 1k buff comes largely from AF gear wich I find deflects very little if any damage at all. In Fact PLD with Ifrit gear 36XX HP , War is roughly 4100 , not that great of a HP buff for lack of damage deflection.
As far as a fight in wich PLD is the undisputed best tank between it and WAR, Batrall. If i need to elaberate I will do so, but if your responding to this , I would hope you dont need an explination as to why PLD is clearly the winner in the Batrall fight.

[Alerith]

I ain't readin' that. Try again with some formatting.

[Aceofspades]

lol would you like i break it up into paragraphs?

[Aceofspades]

"If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade"


Just curious, is that the actual order in wich you perform those abilities?

[TirionCrey]

@Ace: Please just stop using Ifrit as a reference for anything. You might hold hate against your "mediocre" BLMs doing 15k~ in your group fighting a mob for 9min. Try holding hate against a MNK on Miser who deals 22k+ in a 5min fight, then argue again.

edit: Actually, considering your group takes 9min on Ifrit dealing that amount of dmg, you will prolly not get Miser down in 5min or less, more like 15min, since your DDs will barely be able to counter the Regen when Miser is in the pool, so you won't encounter any Hate issues over the length of the fight as well...

Like I said to somenoe else in some other thread...don't conclude from your DDs lack of skill to the lack of skill of others. If you're doing it right(DDs that is), PLD got nothing on WAR hate-wise...

PS: Where do you get your numbers of WAR getting so much more dmg then a PLD? He doesn't...plus if you're using the same tank equip on PLD AND WAR (Ifrit Gear????), the only option would be Sentinels, or Cobalts Equip, which will make the WAR HP Pool still an easy 800HP+ more then PLDs.