Did Bahumat save us from a worse fate?

[Necrotica]

Was randomly looking at an article about asteroids hitting Earth and it got me thinking.

This might be more of a math question than a lore question but if Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

[MikkoAkure]

They're completely different things. Asteroids come out of deeper space at speeds of miles per second. Dalamud slowly came out of its orbit near the moon and still took a lot of time to get here and even in the trailer it was moving extremely slowly.

If Bahamut didn't break out of it, the worst that would happen is that there'd be a crater in Cartenau with a possibly very intact Dalamud just sitting there. If anything, Bahamut made it worse because he ejected pieces of Dalamud out at Eorzea at speeds faster than Dalamud was originally traveling and that's what caused much of the damage in the areas around the Coils.

[Anonymoose]

Arguably, Dalamud would still be in orbit if not for Bahamut tempering Nael van Darnus to treat it as a colony-drop situation in the first place.

So as this question is currently constructed, at best he made a bad situation that was his own fault slightly less bad, no? lol

(If that pushes the consideration up a level, I say 100% Ascian blame in all directions and Bahamut was just a multi-purpose tool for their aims from start to finish.)

[Cleretic]

Forget it, Anonymoose. It's Necrotica. They're a weird contrarian troll.

[Necrotica]

Forget it, Anonymoose. It's Necrotica. They're a weird contrarian troll.

You spend a lot of time trying to stop people from talking on these forums. Are you secretly working for another game?

[RyuDragnier]

Arguably, Dalamud would still be in orbit if not for Bahamut tempering Nael van Darnus to treat it as a colony-drop situation in the first place.

So as this question is currently constructed, at best he made a bad situation that was his own fault slightly less bad, no? lol

(If that pushes the consideration up a level, I say 100% Ascian blame in all directions and Bahamut was just a multi-purpose tool for their aims from start to finish.)

Though it makes you wonder just how much autonomy Bahamut had in his actions...were they part of a plan set up by the Ascians? Or was Bahamut's actions just something the Ascians used for convenience? And what was even their plan for dealing with him once he had ushered in the 7th Calamity had Louisoix not saved the realm? It would be hard to recover and set things up for another Calamity if Bahamut had thrown things out of balance enough.

[Cleretic]

Though it makes you wonder just how much autonomy Bahamut had in his actions...were they part of a plan set up by the Ascians? Or was Bahamut's actions just something the Ascians used for convenience? And what was even their plan for dealing with him once he had ushered in the 7th Calamity had Louisoix not saved the realm? It would be hard to recover and set things up for another Calamity if Bahamut had thrown things out of balance enough.

We do know that the Ascians gave the dragons the idea to summon him (thanks Tiamat), and we also know that the Ascians were behind the events that led to the Calamity caused by Dalamud. ...and the other Calamity caused by Dalamud. This doesn't mean that it was a single ongoing completely prepared plan from beginning to end, though; what we can generally gather from the Ascians as we've seen is that they tended to set up a whole bunch of potential bombs for the future and just lead society to them as they became Calamity-viable on sort of a 'long-term ad-hoc' basis. We don't really know what the entire picture around Allag was like, but remember that at this point we're aware of at least five of their potential triggers for the Eighth Calamity (Ultima Weapon, Thordan, Alexander, the primal Eureka, Black Rose); we can reasonably assume that they had more than just those irons in the fire in Allag's day.

So yeah, Bahamut was part of a plan, but the plan was basically 'step one Bahamut, step two ???, step three profit planetary destruction'; they probably didn't know exactly what they were gonna do with him when they caused him. Similarly, I can't imagine that they had a plan for 'dealing with him' after re-awakening him in the first place; the Ascians didn't actually care how many people died to their Calamities and were always extremely happy to wait another thousand years like they normally did. Louisoix managing to cut it short while it still being a Calamity for their purposes was actually just a happy accident--and one they weren't the most ready for, in fact, it's why they're a lot more blatant in the live game than they were in 1.0, they're all kinda panicking and overexcited that they get to try again so soon.


Also, in regards to the original OP question, it's actually even more flawed than Anonymoose suggested: Dalamud wouldn't be up there if it weren't for Bahamut in the first place, since it literally exists to use him as a power source. 'If it weren't for Bahamut Dalamud would've hit even worse' is folly, since if it weren't for Bahamut they wouldn't have invented and launched Dalamud anyway. ...but if there weren't a Dalamud then the Ascians would've triggered the Fourth and Seventh Calamities with other things anyway.

[george357]

trolls gotta be trolls.

[Necrotica]

I am amazed how fixated some of you are on the title and not the post itself. CNN must love you.

if Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

That is the core question of the post. Would a moon the size of Dalamud cause more damage had it just been allowed to drop down on Eorzea instead of lowering it to the point that Bahamut could safely hatch since hatching in orbit was not an option for him for some reason.

[dragoelete]

no... they have answered that and pointed out it was falling slow enough that it would have made maybe a dalamud sized crater and thats all. it was when baha broke out that things got worse sending shrapnel flying in every direction at almost 50 times the original fall speed. so no baha did not save us from worse but made it worse.