VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Midareyukki]

Why do people think it's only two? They've been showing 2 and adding like 6 (or more like last patch) since they started adding them for us.

I'll believe that when I see more than two new ones on the Hrothgar tab then.

It might be the case for Viera, if so great. But for Hrothgar the updates have been rather piddly.

Either way, the sentiment there is that these updates are short and staggered across the expansion. It took one week for an amateur modder to make every headgear available for us since Endwalker's release. Not to mention the work done to port hairstyles over.

More like "without being under schedule or supervisors or working on other priorities and doing whatever the hell they want".

Can we stop overselling how special modders are doing work anyone can easily do? The passion isnt that special.

No. Because the problem isn't "passion". If anything you're the one overselling it by calling it that.

The problem is effort. The problem is time. And the problem is not allocating resources to stuff that's already been proven to take quite little time to do, instead of squashing a Hrothgar's skull into a Peanut.

Also, your modding phobia needs to chill for a minute. Because at no point did anyone say that modders were the best thing in the universe and that SE should work at their pace. What was said is that they at least prove it's doable without hurdles. Something Square has since lied about.

[Nav_Blue]

I'll believe that when I see more than two new ones on the Hrothgar tab then.

It might be the case for Viera, if so great. But for Hrothgar the updates have been rather piddly.

Either way, the sentiment there is that these updates are short and staggered across the expansion. It took one week for an amateur modder to make every headgear available for us since Endwalker's release. Not to mention the work done to port hairstyles over.

To paraphrase, we really have no reason to believe it will be any more than the two. The last patch added 6, but that is only one sample, which a trend it does not make.

[Kazhar]

To paraphrase, we really have no reason to believe it will be any more than the two. The last patch added 6, but that is only one sample, which a trend it does not make.

Both Viera patches also added 6 though, and Square Enix delivers everything on a strict schedule. For this game, a tiny sample usually does mean a trend.

[Nav_Blue]

Both Viera patches also added 6 though, and Square Enix delivers everything on a strict schedule. For this game, a tiny sample usually does mean a trend.

I did only want to paraphrase but here goes...

By the logic of including multiple patches on Viera's behalf, there is nothing stopping us from including all patches beginning from 5.0 onward. Now, my math may be off, but for now I'll say that includes something like 14 patches.

Now with that sample size, it leaves us with a trend of about 0.43 new styles for Hrothgar.

Assuming nothing has changed since the Devs went on record saying that adding new styles would take a very long time; guessing that we're only getting 2 is quite generous.

[Caro178]

I did only want to paraphrase but here goes...

By the logic of including multiple patches on Viera's behalf, there is nothing stopping us from including all patches beginning from 5.0 onward. Now, my math may be off, but for now I'll say that includes something like 14 patches.

Now with that sample size, it leaves us with a trend of about 0.43 new styles for Hrothgar.

Assuming nothing has changed since the Devs went on record saying that adding new styles would take a very long time; guessing that we're only getting 2 is quite generous.

I just think the 5.0 to 6.0 patches are not the right data to use as a comparison when the 6.0 to 6.3 Viera updates actually demonstrate a consistent pattern. The only pattern in 5.0 to 6.0 was "nada, nothing, zippo" until one of several liveletters before Endwalker when they revealed new Viera styles, explained that it would be easier to add new styles and promised Hrothgar would get similar treatment one patch later. They also showed only 2 hairstyles in every single preview for Viera hair additions and when each patch dropped there were 6 ported styles (3 base game, 3 Modern Aesthetics per patch.) More if you take into account brand new Modern Aesthetics like Lyse's and the Island ponytails - which even Hrothgar got right when they launched! Maybe it's just my perspective as a Viera, but I have no reason to doubt the pattern will carry over with Hrothgar now that updates are clearly part of a patch-by-patch schedule.

Long story short Hrothgar got the full 6.0 batch past patch. There's no reason for me to think they won't get the full 6.1 batch now.

[Nav_Blue]

I just think the 5.0 to 6.0 patches are not the right data to use as a comparison when the 6.0 to 6.3 Viera updates actually demonstrate a consistent pattern. The only pattern in 5.0 to 6.0 was "nada, nothing, zippo" until one of several liveletters before Endwalker when they revealed new Viera styles, explained that it would be easier to add new styles and promised Hrothgar would get similar treatment one patch later. They also showed only 2 hairstyles in every single preview for Viera hair additions and when each patch dropped there were 6 ported styles (3 base game, 3 Modern Aesthetics per patch.) More if you take into account brand new Modern Aesthetics like Lyse's and the Island ponytails - which even Hrothgar got right when they launched! Maybe it's just my perspective as a Viera, but I have no reason to doubt the pattern will carry over with Hrothgar now that updates are clearly part of a patch-by-patch schedule.

It is, and thank you for admitting that. My point is: none of us actually do know how many hairstyles we'll be getting this time around, and the screenshot only proves we're getting at least 2.

[Caro178]

It is, and thank you for admitting that. My point is: none of us actually do know how many hairstyles we'll be getting this time around, and the screenshot only proves we're getting at least 2.

I respect your stance to prepare for only what was shown even if I personally do strongly feel there's enough evidence that Hroths will get the full batch of 6. I get that there has been a lot of disappointment among Hrothgar in particular (more so than Viera). It's a reasonable perspective to have given the ear removal and adaptation of awful, unfitting styles first (2B peanut.) Plus if you prepare for the minimum you get to be surprised if there's more! That's pretty much how it went with Viera before the 6-per-patch cycle became obvious.