Fighting Desperately...

[Biggs]

It's all about what I personally enjoyed and preferred. Challenge it may not necessarily have had, but if XI was easy, then this game is for mongoloids. No offense to any mongoloids in the community.

I think my main problem with this game right now is the lack of variety the new jobs offer. I mean, if you take a look at bard for example, by the time you got bard to level 50 in FFXI,you had a slew of songs and ways to caste them at your disposal. Now, I get that some of them were kinda useless, and I also get that jobs arent meant to be their own thing, but rather a much more narrow version of the class they come from. But to me (cue my opinion) the jobs right now don't cut it. They are simply a few extra skills and a way to wear af on a class. When i see others play bard, I dont see a bard, I see an archer with some bard abilites (5 to be exact, which is pathetic). All of the jobs feel this way to me right now. I get that they will add to them in the future but, for those of us playing right now that have been waiting for a while for this, its kind of a let down.

Sorry to rant all over you OP Xoo, but you started it with your crazy FFXI nostalgia

[Xoo]

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

Good gameplay is antiquated? Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'? Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like? Your last paragraph begins with nonsense, immediately followed by blatant lies (I never mentioned grinding at all - you just threw that in there for some generic XI bashing), only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support your claims.

I appreciate your attempt, but honestly Tibian, you make a very poor case for your argument.

[Tibian]

Good gameplay is antiquated?
Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'?

Unbeknownst to you, I was not registered when subscriptions went into play because I did not think the game was fit to play. The only reason why I am subscribed right now is because I wanted to leave the server I was on for a more English populated server, my decision has been a very good one.

Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

I am concurrently subscribed to WoW. After this patch and mergers I have enjoyed XIV to the point where I may still stay subscribed. 2.0 has much promise, and the development of XIV has certainly been a miraculous turn of events as far as "failed MMOs" come. I am willing to give games second chances if they improve, XIV certainly has.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like?

You don't have to. You pointed out the things I have no desire to see in XIV, so I voiced my opinions against yours.

only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support his claims.

Please learn to read sufficiently.
I'll requote just to give you another chance.

So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

No where did I mention a false percentage of "people." 70% is what I attribute to the majority of the game that I think is garbage. I did not state anything about a false percentage of "people".

[fusional]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

I dont know what you all smokes about FFXI, WOW, SWTOR, or any MMOs, IMHO for me after playing years with RO, Lineage, Lineage2, GW, WoW, SWTOR, i feel so refresh with FFXIV and the communities i play with. There are always some jackass in any MMOs i played but for me, i've been loging in more and more into FFXIV :3

Hell who cares what says about other games, they are old and getting the old vibes, let's memories be memories mate, other games are good at their own pace, even FFXI which i never really played before(Have the urge to try it out, but the billing system that time suck so bad it didnt let me play).

Each game to their own taste, leave FFXIV alone will you! >:O

[Biggs]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

I have seen this stance taken by so many on these forums. What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game? Should I go out and level all my jobs to 50? Say I did that, and made a comment; some douche would then just say "well yeah but your haven't done the dungeons yet". So then say I did that as well. I would then have some asshat say I didn't know what I was talking about until I had completed all the achievments. We could play this retarded nitpicking game all day actually, but the fact remains people like that will never be satisfied with other opinions that don't mesh with theirs mostly because they are too stupid to grasp the concept of what an opinion actually is. I could play this game for all of 35 seconds and decide it sucks with zero basis for my argument besides not liking the character models, and it would still form a sound opinion because opinions are like assholes Fusional, whether you like it or not, best to just accept it and move on.

[fusional]

What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game?

do you think healing in a leveling party is the same as healing moogle? do you think dpsing in a leveling party or in solo leves is the same as dpsing in AV? for that matter, do you think doing anything in darkhold is the same as in CC? are ifrit and moogle the same? are av and cc the same? do you think dh and av/cc are the same? do you think because you've fought ifrit you could oneshot moogle? do you think because you beat batraal you could faceroll through av speed clears?

the point is- i take this stance because i get tired of people experiencing a very finite section of a game and assuming they can make a 100% accurate judgment about everything else in the game as a result. it's absolutely stupid, for the same reason it's stupid when people start playing WoW and get run through wailing caverns for the first time then assume every endgame raid is that way.

speaking from experience is fine, as long as you speak about that which you actually have experience with. if you don't have experience with something, either don't address it or do so prefaced with "i haven't actually done this, but my assumption is _______" so it's very clear you're contributing your largely baseless opinion.

and opinions are fine. we can have those. we can share those. i'm just saying- having an opinion on Simurgh, whether valid or not, doesn't mean you have a valid opinion on King Behemoth. if you've experienced both, though, and want to share your opinions on either or both- fine. completely and totally fine.

but that's not what people are doing, and it's dumb, and i take issue with that.

[Nabiri]

I never understand why people come into threads about opinions and start attacking them.
You won't change someone's mind.. Their opinion is their opinion.
There's no need to come raging into a thread going on and on about how "wrong" someone's opinion is and name-calling/throwing around insults. Accept that you don't agree. No need to get all aggressive. It just doesn't make sense. State yours if you will, but there's no reason to argue.

Man if I argued with every person I disagreed with I would be arguing with every person in the world.
Accept that everyone is different and thinks differently. Agree to disagree.

[fusional]

I never understand why people come into threads about opinions and start attacking them.
You won't change someone's mind.. Their opinion is their opinion.

i'm not raging about anything. i'm simply pointing out that if you have an opinion about something that you've never experienced, that's cool- but it's absolutely meaningless. go ahead and tell me whatever you think about neuroscience, but i'll trust the experts.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

"I think sexual pleasure it's over rated"