The Garlean Empire vs Omega

[Necrotica]

Fun fact: Midgardsormr was not, in fact, killed by the Garleans.

More fun facts: the means by which a dragon actually is destroyed is rather ambiguous and may or may not involve their eyes, ability to possess others, etc.

They are not entirely unlike the Ascians in certain aspects.

Or did you not play Heavansward?

We kill a large number of dragons in this game. And some of the smaller ones go down real easy. The first brood are definately far beyond the others in power and I am not entirely sure if it is an age thing or if they just suffer some kind of genetic decay as the bloodlines get more removed from whatever super ancestor Midgardsormr came from. At no point is it ever brought up that we could use the eyes of lesser dragons as any kind of aether source.

The Ascians seem more like free form spirits that can possess at will. At one point it was mentioned they use dark crystals to accomplish this but not sure that is canon anymore since we never seem to have to destroy those crystals since one scene in ARR with a black masker.

The (let's call them 'True') Dragons eyes seem to act as a phylactery of sorts. The dragon can operate without them so long as they are not destroyed. They seem to need physical contact to draw on them for power. Others can use them if they have physical control of them, but the True Dragon still maintains influence over them to a limited degree.

Nydhoggs body was destroyed and after that Hraesvalgr referred to what came after as a shade. Implying it was not really his brother. But then when we expel him from Estiniens body we see his soul ascend to the heavens. While his eyes are still both very much still intact.

So you can kill a dragon while keeping its eyes intact which kinda ruins the phylactery analogy.

To bring this back to Midgardsomr, no one ever says a thing about using his eyes for power which seems like a bit of an oversight since the primal those things could summon would make Shinryu look like good king moogle mog. This is either because the Ascians feared him even in his Odin sleep mode or it is possible his power has nothing to do with his eyes and that is strictly a thing for his direct children.

Dragons are all over the place with how they work. Need to get a sharlayan to break them down into subspecies.

[Carin-Eri]

To bring this back to Midgardsomr, no one ever says a thing about using his eyes for power which seems like a bit of an oversight since the primal those things could summon would make Shinryu look like good king moogle mog. This is either because the Ascians feared him even in his Odin sleep mode or it is possible his power has nothing to do with his eyes and that is strictly a thing for his direct children.

Possible - I mean, Midgardsomr is a 'pure' Dragonstar Dragon whereas the first brood all hatched on Eorzea. Maybe that had some influence on matters?

[thegreatonemal]

We kill a large number of dragons in this game. And some of the smaller ones go down real easy. The first brood are definately far beyond the others in power and I am not entirely sure if it is an age thing or if they just suffer some kind of genetic decay as the bloodlines get more removed from whatever super ancestor Midgardsormr came from. At no point is it ever brought up that we could use the eyes of lesser dragons as any kind of aether source.

The Ascians seem more like free form spirits that can possess at will. At one point it was mentioned they use dark crystals to accomplish this but not sure that is canon anymore since we never seem to have to destroy those crystals since one scene in ARR with a black masker.

The (let's call them 'True') Dragons eyes seem to act as a phylactery of sorts. The dragon can operate without them so long as they are not destroyed. They seem to need physical contact to draw on them for power. Others can use them if they have physical control of them, but the True Dragon still maintains influence over them to a limited degree.

Nydhoggs body was destroyed and after that Hraesvalgr referred to what came after as a shade. Implying it was not really his brother. But then when we expel him from Estiniens body we see his soul ascend to the heavens. While his eyes are still both very much still intact.

So you can kill a dragon while keeping its eyes intact which kinda ruins the phylactery analogy.

To bring this back to Midgardsomr, no one ever says a thing about using his eyes for power which seems like a bit of an oversight since the primal those things could summon would make Shinryu look like good king moogle mog. This is either because the Ascians feared him even in his Odin sleep mode or it is possible his power has nothing to do with his eyes and that is strictly a thing for his direct children.

Dragons are all over the place with how they work. Need to get a sharlayan to break them down into subspecies.

They aren't all over the place you just gotta go through t again. Age is what determines how strong a dragon is, they keep getting stronger the longer they are alive. They can be killed.

If you've ever played ff10 Nidhogg is basically an unsent at that point. He died at the Arey and it's his lingering rage that took physical form after possessing Estinien. That's why they call it a shade.

[kaynide]

Nydhoggs body was destroyed and after that Hraesvalgr referred to what came after as a shade. Implying it was not really his brother. But then when we expel him from Estiniens body we see his soul ascend to the heavens. While his eyes are still both very much still intact.

So you can kill a dragon while keeping its eyes intact which kinda ruins the phylactery analogy..

Regardless of how or what is destroyed, the dragon itself is still alive to some degree, or in some cases (like Midgard) a deep and possibly indefinite hibernation. (give or take Omega storyline)



Nidhogg specifically could exist without his eyes (even using his brother's) to live.

Even with his body and the eyes completely destroyed, there is a certain amount taint remaining in Estenien that threatens to take control.

If anything, elder/more powerful dragons are almost a viral/lycanthropic creature able to exert a certain amount of control/power simply by having the blood mixed in another creature. And, should the host be of a certain strength it seems they can control the dragon's power.

[Necrotica]

Even with his body and the eyes completely destroyed, there is a certain amount taint remaining in Estenien that threatens to take control.

Is this stated in the game anywhere?

[Zero-ELEC]

If anything, elder/more powerful dragons are almost a viral/lycanthropic creature able to exert a certain amount of control/power simply by having the blood mixed in another creature. And, should the host be of a certain strength it seems they can control the dragon's power.

Honestly, that seems to be the case with dragons in general, when you think about. An asexually reproducing alien species, whose blood can turn others into them when flesh is consumed, whose powerful individuals can compel others of its species and those close in nature (scalekin) through song. Change a few details and you've got a pretty compelling sci-fi viral alien species like the zerg or tyranids or xenomorphs of something.

[Alleo]

Is this stated in the game anywhere?

I am not sure if this is outright stated but we do get hints that Nidhogg is still in a way with Estinien. (Not sure about the "threatens to take control part")The way he talked with Tiamat. How he was able to see the souls of the death dragons on Ultima (just like the WoL), stuff like that. Of course you also have his attacks that are fulled by Nidhogg too.

I guess this could go many ways but it does feel like at least a bit of Nidhogg stayed behind. Maybe part of his aether.

[Necrotica]

I am not sure if this is outright stated but we do get hints that Nidhogg is still in a way with Estinien. (Not sure about the "threatens to take control part")The way he talked with Tiamat. How he was able to see the souls of the death dragons on Ultima (just like the WoL), stuff like that. Of course you also have his attacks that are fulled by Nidhogg too.

I guess this could go many ways but it does feel like at least a bit of Nidhogg stayed behind. Maybe part of his aether.

I see how that could be attributed to being Nidhogg still. I just figured he had been semi dragon aspected/fused/genetic rewrite type thing but it was just general draconic nature not specifically tied to Nidhogg. Like how some of a person's traits are tied specifically to their parents but others are just a natural part of being human.

Nidhogg made him more dragon like, maybe not specifically more Nidhogg like. Also whenever he 'talks' to Nidhogg I think he is talking to his weapon still coated in the blood.