Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
Yoshi has been pretty clear that its more than just harassment. He doesn't want to see ridiculous requirements in the PF like "you must have this dps number to join" especially for older content where you start to outgear it and expect people at the appropriate ilvl to match the dps of higher ilvls that completely out gear it. This was a common occurrence in other games.

The other side of things is he doesn't want to pointlessly add work onto the GM's. They have enough crap to deal with and the ticket system doesn't need to be overwhelmed by events directly caused by petty players like firemage and other like minded players.
People already have ridiculous PF requirements though. Stupid ilvl restrictions in non-parse focused groups, blocking certain jobs (MCH) from playing, demanding you have already cleared while the party leader hasn't actually cleared yet. The things y'all are saying will happen *already happen*. And bringing up other games isn't a great argument when other games don't have the strictness and rigidity of 14's TOS/GM team. Like, this is one of the most punish happy (for better or for worse) GM teams I've ever seen. There's a reason why the memes about people being silent in duties and people refusing to offer help exists.


Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
You don't think it would be different if the major thing holding them back from raging at new players in game was removed?
We can move the goalposts all we want about "But harassment would still be against TOS" like somehow the TOS is some magical thing that prevents players from doing anything listed, but the fact is the major thing preventing that now is the hardline stance on bringing up numbers for another player in game is a ban. Without that hardline stance it would shift to become a debate about how polite you were when you told that sprout they were shit, and does it really constitute harassment. Fact is that having a hard stance on no plugins, no mods, and no parsers sidesteps a whole lot of internet debatelord arguments about whether harassment was intended or not and just stops it in its tracks. It works incredibly well, and if it's not broken there's no reason to fix it.
Did you miss the part of the TOS where you cannot tell others how to play? This is why people are so scared of offering tips in dungeons, you can literally be reported for offering advice (whether it actually gets punished or not is another story). Official parsers being added isn't going to suddenly make it so some random person can go off on you in a duty. If you call someone shit, it's very clearly breaking the TOS.

Like yeah, people can break the TOS, they already do, and they are wildly not the norm. But those people get punished and, hopefully, removed from the game.

Side note, if anything, it'd be hilarious to have a parsing tool added specifically to weed the toxic people out of the game.


Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
You and Ivtrix.
*gigglesnort*