Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Aword3213]

Meanwhile I'm gearing an alt right now in WoW and to do so I'm doing a combination of questing, with a side of mindless grinding in the primal storms they got going on. Probably a good 4-5 hours to get a reasonable level of gear, and not time gated at all like tomestones over in FF14

One of my friend just done playing Dragonflight and came to raid Abyssos last week using crafted gear. My alt also only had crafted gear because I’m lazy. We set up PF ourselves and we raided just fine. What do you mean by being time gated?

My friends from Lost Ark also raided Abyssos using crafted gear.

PF problems such as Item Level restriction and undesirable strats can all easily be solved by opening up your own PF yourself

[Rolder50]

One of my friend just done playing Dragonflight and came to raid Abyssos last week using crafted gear. My alt also only had crafted gear because I’m lazy. We set up PF ourselves and we raided just fine. What do you mean by being time gated?

My friends from Lost Ark also raided Abyssos using crafted gear.

PF problems such as Item Level restriction and undesirable strats can all easily be solved by opening up your own PF yourself

Which requires you to have gil or have a friend who does. And besides, if we're including that, you can do the same in WoW now that they just revamped the crafting system to be more like FF14

[RobynDaBank]

"More like"? The simple fact you can't have all professions on one character makes them different in a way that can't be reconciled.

[VelKallor]

that they just revamped the crafting system to be more like FF14

FF 14 doesnt have an RNG laced alchemy table that can and will explode leaving you with a 4 hour cooldown. WOWs professions are a sick joke, heavily timegated with masses of RNG and RESTRICTING recipes to heroic and mythic content.

[Rolder50]

FF 14 doesnt have an RNG laced alchemy table that can and will explode leaving you with a 4 hour cooldown. WOWs professions are a sick joke, heavily timegated with masses of RNG and RESTRICTING recipes to heroic and mythic content.

But what FF14 does have is a crafting system where you need to put in dozens of hours leveling all of the crafting jobs to even have a chance at producing anything remotely useful.

[VelKallor]

But what FF14 does have is a crafting system where you need to put in dozens of hours leveling all of the crafting jobs to even have a chance at producing anything remotely useful.

Having levelled them all several times, rubbish.

Dozens of hours? Hardly.

Useful? Immediately.

Crafting is interdependent, quite frankly, having levelled it pre AND post changes, it is a damned sight faster than it was in 2019.

No RNG which is what makes it worthwhile.

Hence WOW's RNG. It also has recipes which you CANNOT GET unless you do the hardest content, as an example, lets say you want to make a 620 weapon, its gated behind an UNREAL instance and it has a CHANCE to drop, again meaning it may never drop................AT ALL.

WOWs crafting is like the rest of WOW, a predatory system to keep you playing..AND PAYING...as long as possible.

[Rolder50]

WOWs crafting is like the rest of WOW, a predatory system to keep you playing..AND PAYING...as long as possible.

Just want to point out I've leveled crafting on several characters in WoW and have gotten them to the point I could make gear for myself within, oh, about a day or two generally. Good luck doing that as a new player in FF lmao

[Aword3213]

But what FF14 does have is a crafting system where you need to put in dozens of hours leveling all of the crafting jobs to even have a chance at producing anything remotely useful.

If you need dozens of hours to level all crafting jobs, you’re playing them wrong

Anyway, why are we discussing this?

I get it. Both games are casual friendly. WoW is more friendlier than XIV. If you really have to declare a winner. Wow wins. I don’t really care

So what? That means both games are catering to filthy casuals like me. It’s great. I’m the beneficiary. You don’t see those Yoshi-simp or forum whit knight fuming about how good Dragonflight is, do you? People are actually happy for WoW players, including me.

Hopefully both games will keep staying way. I’m certainly not worried about it. The only one that seems to care is that both MMOs are not MMO enough because both games are so easy to access that it removes the need of player interaction.

[Rolder50]

I also almost forgot to point out how the crafting system in FF14 can almost be seen as predatory itself, in that most recipes require many different components and subcomponents which really clog up your inventory. But they sell you the solution by offering extra retainers for a recurring charge of 2$ per month per retainer. Said retainers can also be sent on gathering missions to bring you more mats. Little bit scummy and marginally P2W, that.

[VelKallor]

Just want to point out I've leveled crafting on several characters in WoW and have gotten them to the point I could make gear for myself within, oh, about a day or two generally.

GL with that in Dragonflight.

Good luck doing that as a new player in FF lmao

In FF 14 you dont have to make 300 of a piece to get the stats you want

In FF 14 crafting isnt laced with RNG

In FF 14 crafting recipes arent locked behind idiotically hard content

In FF 14 crafting recipes arent locked behind interminable rep grinds

Trinkets are sadly locked behind renown with factions. I’m aiming for the potion alch trinket but it’s locked behind centaur renown 13.

in that most recipes require many different components and subcomponents which really clog up your inventory.

Good lord, so you mean that when making armour you DONT need more than cloth? Better tell that to real armoursmiths.

Said retainers can also be sent on gathering missions to bring you more mats

Leaving you free to do other things..OH THE HORROR...lets not of course forget that to SEND them on those missions you have to have gathered it first yourself. Forget that did we?

Oh lord I just saw this

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...emy_so_far_in/

and

Blizzard disabled the recipe ~24 hours ago, halting all alchemy progression on the live servers. I hope they give us a bunch of liquid courage or something once they finally reenable the only way to level alchemy past a certain point (with an RNG 4 hour cooldown...)

They slapped a FULL shutdown on professions to apparently fix a bug they were TOLD about in beta..and ignored.

Since then I have exploded on my first experiment about 6 times. And 1 time I was able to do 1 experiment before failing.

The rate of the failures is ridiculous. I am seriously considering dropping alchemy.

THAT is what adding RNG to crafting does to you.

I have found the master, talked to the dragon stone person, found all the alchemy items, done the consortium quests and bought their knowledge, visited the dark fair, bought best equipment I could, crafted all the first crafts (that I know), and payed an inscriptionist for knowledge! I accumulated it into experimentation and STILL after waiting for my four hours CD my first attempt blows up on me.

Enjoy.