Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[FireMage]

You know even with ToS, that still didnt stop people in PF barring players due to their numbers or performance anyway. At least from the posts Ive seen on twitter, so just making it official will just validate a lot of the scummy behavior of caring more about top tier damage numbers than just clearing a fight. Itll effectively kill the raid scene even more

Raid scene would improve. People should be barred from griefing others with their garbage play. It would be a GOOD thing

[Atelier-Bagur]

The barred players often have logs that are astronomical terrible and often their clears came because the group carried them. Clearing the fight itself is not a great metric to go by. We had an FC mate that was dead for roughly 28% of a fight we cleared it but one day he came crying in discord cause we uploaded the fight he had issues getting into PF groups.

It is not scummy behavior to not want to carry someone that has a history of getting carried.

The example Im using is actually the opposite where despite their optimal performance in their job, you have people barring them just because their job still mathematically outputs less than other jobs. Again just giving more tools for people with terrible group behavior. No thanks

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

PF creation gives us option to bar certain job from joining. Let's remove that too, then!

[Bobby66]

The example Im using is actually the opposite where despite their optimal performance in their job, you have people barring them just because their job still mathematically outputs less than other jobs. Again just giving more tools for people with terrible group behavior. No thanks

I get what you are saying but if that is your example then the prevalence of the tool would not probably not alter much since they were barred due to a perceived meta issue not so much a performance one. The solution to your example would be to make every job perform the same or to remove PF. At the core PF should have the right to bar who they wish from joining for whatever reason. Isn’t that the whole point of PF to form a group that matches your requirements?

[Tiramu]

Yes. That is what I said.



Remember, it's the same company that says they have integrity in their character models/game art and don't want to cause clipping issues, and then still cause clipping issues literally everywhere, but when it comes to things like ears of multiple races "oh lordy lordy we can't have them clip through the hats!"




Umm... you're not forced to play with those people when they rear their ugly little heads. If someone actually came into your group and did that, despite the TOS, then 1. that's a VERY easy kick and 2. a VERY easy report. You literally have the tools to solve issues like that yourself, make use of them. It boggles my mind how anti-kick and anti-report people in this game are.

The thing is, its not always your groups and you can find the group back on PF for 30 mins because of it. There is a lot of sillyness on PF as it is, and what I raised is just one example, without making your average nobbers life easier to be a PITAS.

[Kaurhz]

I want to say yes, because the fundamental design of the game for any content beyond normal mode practically necessitates it in many forms. At the very least information that will allow for some form of analyses to take place. Stone Sky Sea does not suffice in this regard, and nor will it ever.

That being said, I will say no because a majority of players can not really interpret the results responsibly, much less use that information in an appropriate manner. Kudos to those that generally do, but the sad reality is that it only takes a few players to create a really godawful stigma about something, regardless of how useful said tool might be.

[Tyjacon]

People owning more than 1 house, not intended but was possible due to an exploited loophole.
One person FC's, not the intention, but another exploited loophole.
Using Alt-F4 to skip 'unskippable' cutscenes, not intended but also exploited.
Just a few examples of game features the playerbase exploited for their own benefit.

What makes you think the players aren't going to exploit an in game parser?
If you do, you're delusional

[Kazhar]

People owning more than 1 house, not intended but was possible due to an exploited loophole.
One person FC's, not the intention, but another exploited loophole.
Using Alt-F4 to skip 'unskippable' cutscenes, not intended but also exploited.
Just a few examples of game features the playerbase exploited for their own benefit.

What makes you think the players aren't going to exploit an in game parser?
If you do, you're delusional

How could the player exploit it in ways the current add-on options don't? What evils would be unleashed by the presence of an IG parser? Parser are nothing but a clearer way to present informations that are already readily available if you browse the fight log.
I agree it probably shouldn't be available in any casual content, but would that change anything for savage and above as basically everyone uses a parser there already? (or are already feeling its influence in guides, meta analysis, static recruitements, teammates talk, etc.)

[Atelier-Bagur]

How could the player exploit it in ways the current add-on options don't? What evils would be unleashed by the presence of an IG parser?
I agree it probably shouldn't be available in any casual content, but would that change anything for savage and above as basically everyone uses a parser there already? (or are already feeling its influence in guides, meta analysis, static recruitements, etc.)

Ok so heres what I dont get. If we already have people parse and use FFlogs anyway, what in the hells are we debating about? Are we seriously just trying to push this for the people that dont want it?

And dont say its for the people that want it, they already would have installed the add-on anyway.

[Kazhar]

Ok so heres what I dont get. If we already have people parse and use FFlogs anyway, what in the hells are we debating about? Are we seriously just trying to push this for the people that dont want it?

And dont say its for the people that want it, they already would have installed the add-on anyway.

For the record, I have no strong opinion on this. I think Square Enix's stance is hypocritical but I do understand why they do it, as the current situation is the perfect grey area for them. Raiders get their tools, and SE can deny any responsability for their eventual misuse (and they routinely do).
But an official IG parser would help console players if nothing else.