Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[strawberrycake]

There's been a major successful disinformation campaign surrounding WoW - Even I fell for it because of how much of an FF fanboy I am. It's actually crazy how accessible it is in almost all forms compared to XIV and other MMOs. I still prefer the theatrics and markers/mechanics in XIV, but otherwise it doesn't even come close. It's absolutely insane how far apart they are in terms of accessibility and coop-ability, it honestly feels disgusting when we call XIV a new player friendly game in comparison.

New player friendly to what? Visual Novels? XIV is not new player friendly, it's single player friendly. Big difference.

Back In BFA where how open ended it was and how accessible it was, was at it's lowest imo(and many others I assume) I played a Hunter and a Death Knight, on my Death Knight, I only did raid content, I didn;t actively go out my way to do Mythic Keys, and on my Hunter I did prog and Mythic keys. My hunter cleared Mythic within 3 months, and I was one of the top DPS, and my Death Knight cleared half way through Mythic and only on primarily prog and daily quest gear.

Tho I will say the server you;re on will determine a lot, some servers are just bad for raiding. Mine wasn;t tho.

And all of this is to say. If you're just raiding to clear. it's not as bad as bad as SO many make it out to be. A lot of people just see Icy Viens and all the Theorycrafters, because well, they're everywhere in WoW. but they're just a vocal minority. And a Very passionate one. Most of my friends take their time. I genuinely think we World PvP'd most of the time outside of prog hours some weeks

[MonsutaMan]

(1/2)I specify "as an MMO" because I'm aware there's the single player Final Fantasy part of the game and that’s what was recommended to me most. In hindsight, this is why I enjoyed XIV so much when I started and contains most of my memories of playing this game

Pretty much the only reason I play XIV, for the single player aspect.

I purchased level boost on sale, so I can be OP, and simply enjoy the single player experience.

I have zero in interest in content beyond the main scenario, or job quest. I play XIV as a single player experience only. I play how I want to play; because I am on my own.

My biggest issue with XIV is the job design, hence is why I am always going back to XI........Even when I am low-key burning out on it...I feel there is no alternate to XI.

When they dumped limited job idea, XIV will have my attention as a BLU.......for now, back to XI I guess.

XIV needs work. I would not mind if there was an big update with no new content, but something which addresses players concerns, or things they wanted changed for years.

[Deveryn]

Pretty much the only reason I play XIV, for the single player aspect.

I purchased level boost on sale, so I can be OP, and simply enjoy the single player experience.

I have zero in interest in content beyond the main scenario, or job quest. I play XIV as a single player experience only. I play how I want to play; because I am on my own.

My biggest issue with XIV is the job design, hence is why I am always going back to XI........Even when I am low-key burning out on it...I feel there is no alternate to XI.

When they dumped limited job idea, XIV will have my attention as a BLU.......for now, back to XI I guess.

XIV needs work. I would not mind if there was an big update with no new content, but something which addresses players concerns, or things they wanted changed for years.

EQ2 tried a whole expansion with no content, just some features and it was a massive failure. People had very little to do for a whole year. A lot of people would mind very much if there was even one update without any kind of content to work on for 4 months.

Just because you're happy with the game, think outside yourself and how Other paying customers wanna see a game they invested in be better. It's perfectly fine when someone says WoW is shit and they feel jaded for all the investment they put into the game. Why give people in XIV a chance to end up like that here?

The same could be said for those unhappy with the game, coming up with the ideas that we see on this forum. It's all about them with no regard for those that might be enjoying something.

[Stanelis]

Issue with FFXIV is how un-inspired the PVE content has been since ARR. Back in ARR the devs tried to do cool stuff with raid and dungeon encounters that usually were a bit more complicated than just standing at the right spot at the right time while meeting DPS checks. The more difficult the content is in FFXIV the more rigids the encounters are. Some 24 ppl raids are actually decent (ordone monastery, Yorva) but it s casual content (encounters like Ultima, Ozma or some of the Yorva encounters are actually fun) with low replay value. Roles are all over the place with tanks and healers being discount DPS and no relevant tanking and healing mechanics (you can go only so far with tank swaps and tank busters).

Classes are too homogenized in one given role but one cannot expect otherwise as the number of spots in a group has never increased over the years while the amount of classes are still growing.

The gearing process is also one of the most boring I ve ever seen in a MMORPG or a RPG (and I ve played a lot of MMORPG). Absolutely 0 customization, you don't really feel the effect of the gear on the gameplay if you don't run a parser (and anyway while you gain in power the mobs of the next dungeon raid also gain in power so...). In a game like wow there are still as of todays items with effects, you feel your character growing stronger. In a game like TESO there are different ways to gear the same class (stamina DPS, magical DPS, healer, tank magical, tank stamina).

SE attempts to do some interesting stuff (like the Baldesion arsenal or POTD/HOH) but it feels too disconnected compared to the rest of the game.

The quality of the story has increased over the last few years and that may be currently the only thing that makes me log in a few days after each patch. Running one time the new dungeons/raids is fine for the scenery but the replay value is very poor.

[Deveryn]

SE attempts to do some interesting stuff (like the Baldesion arsenal or POTD/HOH) but it feels too disconnected compared to the rest of the game.

It's a theme park. There are different experiences for different people. That they have so many different ways to play is something that draws people in.

[R041]

It's a theme park. There are different experiences for different people. That they have so many different ways to play is something that draws people in.

"Me? Oh nonono, I don't do that content. But it's totally a themepark!"

The Themepark:

[strawberrycake]

EQ2 tried a whole expansion with no content, just some features and it was a massive failure. People had very little to do for a whole year. A lot of people would mind very much if there was even one update without any kind of content to work on for 4 months.



The same could be said for those unhappy with the game, coming up with the ideas that we see on this forum. It's all about them with no regard for those that might be enjoying something.

And at what point has anyone said take it away, All I've seen is people saying add more and keep what we have? So that sounds like a cop out.

[Deveryn]

And at what point has anyone said take it away, All I've seen is people saying add more and keep what we have? So that sounds like a cop out.

Look further. You'll find it. I'm just saying it goes both ways.

[Striker44]

"Me? Oh nonono, I don't do that content. But it's totally a themepark!"

The Themepark:

See, comments like this are what lose you all credibility. People can debate things like the quality of the EW story, the state of various classes or roles, and so on, but nobody in their right honest mind tries to claim there isn't much to do in FFXIV. If nothing else, the one thing practically anyone can agree on is that there is a huge amount of available side content in FFXIV, from FATEs to Sightseeing to Relics to Gold Saucer (which itself contains about a half-dozen solid activities) to (and the list goes on). Trying to act as if there's little to do in the game just makes you out to be a pointless troll.

[Striker44]

I've typically felt like I could take breaks far more easily in WoW, especially Legion and later, than in XIV.

Fall a few ilvl behind spending all my weekly tomes on one job here (atop a crafted or previous Savage base) with no Savage loot luck in the current tier? Well, there goes my ability to join most PFs.

I usually find blind/fresh or not-especially-geared runs run far later into a tier in WoW than in XIV, proportionate to those tier's duration (XIV tiers are about half to a third the bosses each but at greater frequency), ilvl a bit less of a factor, especially if someone has at least some relevant experience (which can be more easily seen there than here), and a bit higher lenience in general if only due to the flexible raid sizes until Mythic (roughly Ultimate-equivalent) difficulty.

And even at the end of tiers, there's always M+, wherein one can never really fall behind except in competing for leaderboard positions (which is a percent of a percent of the population); there are always lower keys still being run. I don't have to keep on my treadmill whatsoever, which has been handy when work, emergencies, grad school, etc. won't leave time for MMOs (or games in general) of any sort.

Holy cow. I'd say completely the opposite. Consider that with the fact I'm a casual player uninterested in Savage content. In FFXIV, I can take an entire tier off, come back, and just buy crafted gear that makes me able to join in on practically anything I want to do. In WoW? You need to either form or be invited into a group, and as a DPS, if you're even slightly behind on iLvl, forget it. Not to mention PvP. Go into casual PvP in WoW after having taken even a little time off and you're getting one shot into tomorrow. FFXIV has it down to an art with how good they have the catch-up mechanics for anyone outside of the highest-level raiders (which are the slimmest of minorities in the playerbase).