Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[LaylaTsarra]

How does including dps meters somehow roll back protections against harassment in the minds of some of you people?[/u]

Convince the director he knows what they mean and is opposed to officially including them. This parser discussion has been a staple of this forum for years and it's not going anywhere because he has categorially stated he does not want them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

[moroarda]

Convince the director he knows what they mean and is opposed to officially including them. This parser discussion has been a staple of this forum for years and it's not going anywhere because he has categorially stated he does not want them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

I understand his stance, but he isn't some infallible god - in this case, he's wrong, plain and simple.

I understand that we won't see official parser support because of Yoshida's opinions, but it doesn't mean I won't still argue in favor of it because it makes logical sense.

[LaylaTsarra]

I understand his stance, but he isn't some infallible god - in this case, he's wrong, plain and simple.

Oh he is not wrong and I totally agree with his stance and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but be that as it may YOU won't be getting them.

[Deceptus]

Convince the director he knows what they mean and is opposed to officially including them. This parser discussion has been a staple of this forum for years and it's not going anywhere because he has categorially stated he does not want them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

He says he doesn't want them because (paraphrasing)

1) "people might be mean".

Response: In high end content, PF style, no one is owed a group. If you don't pull your weight the party leader should have the ability to see who is being lackluster, see if they can improve, and if not kick them (This already happens because most serious raiders ALREADY use a 3rd party DPS meter). I'm talking people who are missing 10-20+ GCDs over a fight.

2) Using the excuse of "It might add more anxiety / responsibility to players"

Response: Healers have been designed with that mindset and they're a dumpster fire right now and have been for ~6 years. It's a bad design philosophy. You shouldn't design for the floor of the playerbase, the worst of the worst. You should attempt to encourage them to get better, not stay terrible.

Even if you don't use exact numbers a simple grading scale could be used. S through F. Something possibly like Final Fantasy XIII



Flawless run? S

Mechanics + good GCD management? A

Execute mechanics properly and do a decent rotation? B

Bare minimum to complete the content? About to wipe due to enrage? Probably get a C.

Get hit by multiple mechanics resulting in 4 deaths in a run? You get an F for that run.

[Zebraoracle]

Make a Terms of Service that explicitly says you will be punished for harassment

Don't implement something because "people might be mean guiz " despite the rules

????

I'm not for or against damage meters being added, fairly indifferent because if they're in, I'll use them, otherwise whatever, but the whole thing about people might use them to be mean makes no sense to me. Adding them in doesn't suddenly change the ToS that we all agreed to. People that are gonna be toxic over them are probably going to be toxic regardless, and they're an EASY report.

[Saraide]

Make a Terms of Service that explicitly says you will be punished for harassment

Don't implement something because "people might be mean guiz " despite the rules

????

I'm not for or against damage meters being added, fairly indifferent because if they're in, I'll use them, otherwise whatever, but the whole thing about people might use them to be mean makes no sense to me. Adding them in doesn't suddenly change the ToS that we all agreed to. People that are gonna be toxic over them are probably going to be toxic regardless, and they're an EASY report.

Piling on people because of bad performance is already considered harassment. Those rules already exist.

[Bobby66]

Even in the MMO that shall not be spoken, unless you are woefully under performing for your role, class, and spec outside of cutting edge content it is rare to see someone kicked for how they play. I get negative experiences stay with people longer and often more reported but in the grandscheme in a pure numbers sense I am sure most encounters with parsing are neutral or positive.

People are right though we will never get then officially added because people may be mean ans they cannot risk exposing the player base to the anything that conflicts with their own perception of how they are playing.

Let us say someone is toxic about another player it is rarely the case that they get called out for no reason. Sure it at times may come off S harsh but it probably is true if someone took the time to bash ya.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ngl, having witnessed a few that went ballistic at the mention of enmity order list, I'm quite curious what an actual numerical indicator will do to those individuals. Maybe they will one day take away enmity order list, too!

[dspguy]

SE is exercising in a bit of hypocrisy. On one hand, they develop these raid bosses where there is an enrage timer and by pure definition, the party has to output X damage in Y seconds in order to clear it. Yet, they forbid measuring said DPS.

I always saw SE's argument of being forbidden to parse as being similar to the concept of not being allowed to use a radar detector. These signals are out there and anyone is welcome to receive them and do what they want with them. If they don't want us to parse, then don't send us the actual damage numbers in the log. Just track the boss HP on the server and display crude percentages.

[Raoabolic]

SE is exercising in a bit of hypocrisy.

Are you that shocked?
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