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  1. #51
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    Thaciscokidd's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyssa View Post
    Really? I'm somewhat new to SE- I'll be 2 years w/ this game come March. I've never heard of this at all.

    I think there is/was enough evidence with Blizzard that it's past allegations though. What so many of those folks did was just plain monstrous- and as a consumer (and human being), IMO, unforgivable. I'd never support anything with their name on it again.


    Heck, the photos and screenshots alone are damning, let alone what anyone had to say about it.
    https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762
    The major difference is that SE is a Japanese based business. American companies would kill for some of the defamation laws that protects business in japan. One example is during the whole blizzard thing was going down someone came out and stated that stuff about SE that strangely enough went nowhere(I think the tread is still up on resetera with pics and stuff.)

    It not a question of if its happening, its what has come out in the wash.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd View Post
    The major difference is that SE is a Japanese based business. American companies would kill for some of the defamation laws that protects business in japan. One example is during the whole blizzard thing was going down someone came out and stated that stuff about SE that strangely enough went nowhere(I think the tread is still up on resetera with pics and stuff.)

    It not a question of if its happening, its what has come out in the wash.
    Ah, I see. This is something I need to look into, I had no idea.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    It was a poor attempt. I already covered this. If it started off more polite, we wouldn't be having these back and forths.
    I never said it was a good attempt or that I agreed with the way he started his post. Just that was what the intent was and not "elitism" as some people keep throwing around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heroman3003 View Post
    The only reason they even got 'hate' was that behaviour of elitism of house owners they displayed. And 'hate' is a strong word when its just being called out on way they are acting. And that's why they deserve to be called out same way in this thread as well. Framing of one's demands is important and theirs is framed purely in "I want more resources dedicated to making exclusive content deeper instead of making it less exclusive (which would require those same resources) and I dont opinions of those who can't access said exclusive content." That's what their original post read like, they got justly called out on it, so they made a second one demanding the 'hate' towards the poor abused homeowners stop.
    So you didn't actually listen to a thing I said then. Got it.
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    Last edited by Silvarer; 12-19-2022 at 01:28 PM.

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroman3003 View Post
    The only reason they even got 'hate' was that behaviour of elitism of house owners they displayed. And 'hate' is a strong word when its just being called out on way they are acting. And that's why they deserve to be called out same way in this thread as well. Framing of one's demands is important and theirs is framed purely in "I want more resources dedicated to making exclusive content deeper instead of making it less exclusive (which would require those same resources) and I dont opinions of those who can't access said exclusive content." That's what their original post read like, they got justly called out on it, so they made a second one demanding the 'hate' towards the poor abused homeowners stop.
    We want instanced housing since 2014. It never came.

    Garden space is limited since 2014. How long do we have to wait before asking for any improvements?

    It's been almost 9 years!

    There will NEVER be enough houses for everyone with the current system. And despite the community voicing their opinions about this failed ward system for many years now nothing has happened to solve the problem.

    But I will still voice my opinion about it.

    "Island Sanctuary was never meant to be player housing." - Yeah okay... but WHY. It would have been the perfect opportunity.

    Endwalker Spoiler:
    The Loporrit building holodecks for housing on the moon? That would be perfect! We can decide any look we want, forest, desert, snow... but it turns out the devs were just trolling us.


    When we can't have instanced housing - can we at least have more garden space? A quarter of the slots of a small house is spend for basic functions like Chocobo stable, gardening patch, Aetherite, letter box.

    I want both! Housing for everyone and improvements to the housing we have.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    When we can't have instanced housing - can we at least have more garden space? A quarter of the slots of a small house is spend for basic functions like Chocobo stable, gardening patch, Aetherite, letter box.

    I want both! Housing for everyone and improvements to the housing we have.
    Honestly, i'm shocked that the devs have allowed crossbreeding plants to be housing exclusive. I wonder how much of the complaints will disappear if they solve this one issue by allowing crossbreeding in apartments or FC housing. (Let's be real, if it was easy to implement then it would have been done a long time ago.)
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  6. #56
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    Caelia Silverarch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Honestly, i'm shocked that the devs have allowed crossbreeding plants to be housing exclusive. I wonder how much of the complaints will disappear if they solve this one issue by allowing crossbreeding in apartments or FC housing. (Let's be real, if it was easy to implement then it would have been done a long time ago.)
    I don't always agree with you, Shadow Lord, but I can agree on this.

    iirc when apartments were first announced they mentioned they could always allocate more rooms when they needed to if demand was high - they still haven't done that, and every ward has the same amount of apartment rooms. Even if they walked it back now going "yeaaaah we actually can't, we underestimated how popular they would be and they take up more room than we thought on the servers" I'd at least be glad for an explanation as to why they haven't done so in 6 years or whatever.

    I do also think that if they could expand apartments into having a patio for gardening it would alleviate a lot of issues for people who want easier access to gardening even if it's just a small plot or something, or to allow it to happen on their islands (which it sounds like they're aiming for?). Yeah, it's a long way to go through the story to have that ability, but at least it would be an option if it's true. Others just want something to decorate and if we had more control over the island stuff that'd probably satisfy people too. Expanding the way apartments work would be a bigger undertaking, if it's even possible. The way gardening works is probably weird too, so getting over that hurdle of getting it to work in anything other than a gardening plot has probably been weird too, but on things like this I do wish the devs were a little more transparent on "we can't get it to work the way we want to do this, but we're working on getting it to work" would be nice.

    No helping the people who just want a house for the sake of having one, though, beyond getting a ton of huge servers just for housing - they said they'd work on expanding the housing instance servers after the DC servers were finished with iirc, so hopefully next year or close to 7.0 they'll have done that. It probably won't give everyone housing, but it'll be a nice step from what we have.
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  7. #57
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    Yeah I don't have a house kupo <3 nor cared to get one really but nobody ever came across to me as saying "I have one and you don't blah blah blah" because my house is Limsa kupo <3 and they can kiss my pom kupo <3

    Don't fret don't hate..be happy kupo <3
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    Kupo!

  8. #58
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    Renalt El'doran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph View Post
    Yeah I don't have a house kupo <3 nor cared to get one really but nobody ever came across to me as saying "I have one and you don't blah blah blah" because my house is Limsa kupo <3 and they can kiss my pom kupo <3

    Don't fret don't hate..be happy kupo <3
    If I had any Kupo Nuts...I'd give you the lot of them. You are always very positive. You would be the one spared the moment my inner Dark Knight takes over and the great Moogle Culling happens.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  9. #59
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    Thank You Kupo <3
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    Kupo!

  10. #60
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    Elizabetha Whitelocke
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    I read a snippet of the OP and my keys just had to fire...

    The real problem is that the developers won't admit to the player base that there will never be a solution in FF14 to the housing shortage. Never.

    I don't blame them. I'd hate to admit that to the player base.

    If you're a former coder, especially if you have any experience with database design, you can tell that this game is built on something very, very amateur that cannot be scaled. This game was not designed with western software engineering philosophies. Things western customers expect simply cannot be executed without rewriting major portions of game infrastructure. Oh wait! That happened once!

    See?

    I guess they did admit it.

    In light of this... it sure WOULD be nice for house-owners to understand that a game avenue open to them, is not, and will never be open to a majority of players.

    Just be aware of that...

    I wouldn't put on all my best clothes and jewelry to go to a soup kitchen and talk about jewels.

    The above are opinions and as such are just as valid or invalid as any other opinion. Truly. Just opinions.
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