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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    I guess I can't take any more breaks for a while :c
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    Just buy an apartment instead! You don't need a sub for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    That's exactly their logic. It's clever in one way. You pay SE a subscription, but they don't need to provide long term content with good replay value, you're meant to pay another company for entertainment on top. Then SE tell you they do it out of concern for your health and free time and are praised for it.

    Similar with the housing. Plenty of posts here saying "good, I'm glad SE is starting to smash players houses again!" without any expectation of instanced housing or better availability, even though SE are the ones who decided on Wards in the first place and stubbornly stuck to the system for the last decade despite being limited by server space.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    That was only a line fed to the XIV simps lol, anyone with a brain realized it was bullshit from the get go
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    Hot and cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    Something like that, I tend to call it the "Gym Membership" business model

    Honestly, it would work out a lot better if the player culture was as friendly to break-taking as Yoshida is, but FFXIV as it is has such a tendency to make content lulls even more palpably extreme than they actually are: most endgame content has such a strong "rush it or forget it" community mindset that almost regardless of your player level, you're forced kicking and screaming along with the curve if you don't want to wait for everything to be completely trivialized down to "maybe even easier than DF" level.

    So if you're hardcore, naturally you rush the content as soon as it comes out and then have nothing much material to do, but if you have a house you gotta pay sub and log in regularly to keep it even so.

    If you're a middling endgame player, you still have to rush the content as soon as it comes out, otherwise Duty Complete says hi and you'll live a life of frustration and fuming unless you back burner it for the rest of the patch. And so, you, too, have nothing much material to do, but if you have a house, you gotta pay sub and log in regularly to keep it.

    If you're a super casual player, then you barely have any endgame content to do once you finish MSQ. In fact, getting and decorating a house is most of it! But despite the sporadic pace of other things to do, you gotta pay sub and log in regularly to keep it.

    Everyone loses it seems, except for maybe the RP crowd ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    That's where you get confused that SE is a company trying to make money. If everyone stopped playing FFXIV would cease to exist. There are people who play this game everyday while others decide to take a break every patch cycle. At the end of the day housing is a luxury not a right. Yeah you may have paid for it but it's like real life. If you don't pay your rent/mortgage you lose your house. They may "encourage" you to take a break but let's say for all intense and purposes they don't want you to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    That's where you get confused that SE is a company trying to make money. If everyone stopped playing FFXIV would cease to exist. There are people who play this game everyday while others decide to take a break every patch cycle. At the end of the day housing is a luxury not a right. Yeah you may have paid for it but it's like real life. If you don't pay your rent/mortgage you lose your house. They may "encourage" you to take a break but let's say for all intense and purposes they don't want you to.
    Yep, every time I see someone go off about Yoshi-P saying it's okay to take breaks one time as an excuse for lack of content or other issues, I can't help but laugh and laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    SE's logic seems to be to encourage taking breaks but still continuing to pay them money.
    It would be nice if it was only sub but you have to go into your house as well. So yeah I really dont like the timer...it always made it feel hollow when they talk about taking a break.
    Sadly it seems that they have no plans to add instanced housing at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conadrium View Post
    Oh you think? So maybe those of us ACTUALLY playing would have a chance to get it without you hoarding?
    Remember this please if you get yourself a house in the future and may not be able to play the game for a while and lose it again. Remember that you were happy that this functions exists. We are after all not talking about maybe half a year or more...there I would agree that someone seemingly does not want to play the game right now. But 45 days? Thats not even half the wait time for a new patch.

    I know that some will say: This is just a virtual house and if something in real life happens that should be more important and not hurt someone if they lose it. Yet some of the very same people are here hoping that someone looses it..you know guys its just a virtual house after all, why care to have one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    If you are not playing why exactly do you need a house? It is not contrary to his comments, if you do not want to play during a lull unsub, and if one is not playing they do not need a house.
    So if that is the logic why not decrease the timer to one day? If you dont play everyday why would you need a house? Its a limited resource after all so only the most hardcore players should get one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    I have to laugh at people with multiple houses upset that they can't just stop subbing for months at a time and keep their house. Do you have no comprehension of how the system works? And that there are a limited amount of houses? Or is it just "i have mine, who cares about anyone else?"

    And only NOW you blame the system? really?
    When I got my first house there was no timer. So some of us did get it with no punishment of owning it. And some of us have been here for years constantly saying that its bad. So please stop with this assumption that all of us did not know about this...we do..and we have voiced our opinions again and again.

    And what about the ones that want to get a house throught the timer? You do know that some of those houses got demolished because someone that played daily got in a accident and is lying in a hospital room, not able to sub or play at all? You dont just take those houses out of the hands of those that dont play anymore (which would be fine), no some of those houses will be from people that are simply not able to play right now. But I guess that its fine? Its only the awful awful house owners that are in the wrong here.

    (And yes I know that I sound a bit annoyed right now...because I am..instead of banding together to make SE create another better system, a part of the community is fine that other players are punished for SE decision on making something so limited in the first place...)
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    Last edited by Alleo; 12-27-2022 at 07:41 PM.