Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Atelier-Bagur]

FFXIV community is the biggest echo chamber of posivity ive ever seen in any game. Sure people don't go around and directly say the game has no flaw but they do just like you just did. ''It not the game that wrong, it an you issues'' ''If you're not happy don't sub''. These free out of jail card are used a lot and even if I pointed tons of issues with the contents, people jump to these excuses rather and just accepting there an issues or you know, point a counter-argument that ain't just ''Well I disagree cause I don't believe it the case''

And that attitude just apply everywhere in the game. Complain about a plot-hole in the story? You bet it not bad writting, they will tell you that it just you being of bad spirit or over-analyzing. You enter a dungeon and point out that the level 80 dps only use single target 1-2-3 combo on the mobs pack? Well guess what, it not him playing bad, it you being an min-maxer monster that don't let people play like they want. SE butchered your class gameplay last patch? Clearly it an you issues and your complain are worthless, just get a new main class.

So I will ask again, Where midcore content? Why we got so much dead content that are just dead for the sake of it (Looking at you, FATE and Yellow side quest). Why don't we have more content like POTD or Eureka?

Have you been ignoring whats to come in the patch cycle post EW? Covering your eyes isnt helping your case here, then again, even your character avatar has their eyes covered so maybe thats saying something.

We're getting a new deep dungeon, more variant dungeons will be added, we're getting more ultimates. I love how you just ignore everything just to debate your point. You cant please everyone, every MMO has this "grass is always greener on the other side".

[Magikazam]

Have you been ignoring whats to come in the patch cycle post EW? Covering your eyes isnt helping your case here, then again, even your character avatar has their eyes covered so maybe thats saying something.

We're getting a new deep dungeon, more variant dungeons will be added, we're getting more ultimates. I love how you just ignore everything just to debate your point. You cant please everyone, every MMO has this "grass is always greener on the other side".

Never said they added nothing, I've just said MOST of the content they add don't last for long. Agains, im waiting for you to awnser this, cause you seem to deliberatly avoid this question. Where is midcore content, why are FATE and Yellow sidequest almost useless, why is there so much content in the game that is dead or give no rewards?

[Magikazam]

This is a you problem for sure (very likely to be trolling). No one in their right mind only runs through a dungeon or any piece of content once or twice.

Im sure you run any ARR dungeon daily for their rewards and not cause there a daily roulette that give xp cause they know no one would return to these dungeons. They even made sure to make those roulette the best xp source by far so you don't do anything else, just cause they know Sprout would be stuck forever in their Q otherwise cause, again, they don't give good reason to go back and do 70% of the dungeon, especially older one

[Deveryn]

Im sure you run any ARR dungeon daily for their rewards and not cause there a daily roulette that give xp cause they know no one would return to these dungeons. They even made sure to make those roulette the best xp source by far so you don't do anything else, just cause they know Sprout would be stuck forever in their Q otherwise cause, again, they don't give good reason to go back and do 70% of the dungeon, especially older one

You make it sound like it's a terrible thing, but it's the best thing an MMO developer has ever done. In past games, if you were coming in this late, you would be forced to powerlevel some other way because the older content wasn't being played AT ALL. Forget doing an older raid. No one wants to do that. Here, all the content remains pretty relevant.

I'm past the point of needing leveling roulettes for anything. I barely even need tomes, but I still login because I still have fun. I can take everything at a chill pace.

Can you even define exactly what it is you think you want without shitting on anything? Saying the rewards are bad doesn't really help anything. Asking for midcore is also a vague notion, which is probably covered somewhere.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Never said they added nothing, I've just said MOST of the content they add don't last for long. Agains, im waiting for you to awnser this, cause you seem to deliberatly avoid this question. Where is midcore content, why are FATE and Yellow sidequest almost useless, why is there so much content in the game that is dead or give no rewards?

Grass is always greener once again my friend. If you look at the other big MMO forums, people like you also keep shouting the same thing. No content in any MMO lasts forever, people min-max the hell out of it and anything that needs to be farmed is immediately gotten within a week or so. Just ask the people who ran Bozja or Eureka back in the day, Ill tell you, that content didnt last them a month.

What youre seeking is a pathetic pipe dream. An addiction. Youlll forever be left wanting more because youve gotten the crave. Its time to free yourself from this illusion.

[Magikazam]

You make it sound like it's a terrible thing, but it's the best thing an MMO developer has ever done. In past games, if you were coming in this late, you would be forced to powerlevel some other way because the older content wasn't being played AT ALL. Forget doing an older raid. No one wants to do that. Here, all the content remains pretty relevant.

I'm past the point of needing leveling roulettes for anything. I barely even need tomes, but I still login because I still have fun. I can take everything at a chill pace.

It only a problem cause there some issues with the system. Overall yes, I agree it good that sprout don't have to wait 3 hours just to do normal Ifrit now. On the otherside, It don't really revive the content and people often cheese the roulettes. There a reason all you get 99% of the time in Alliance raid is Crystal towers ones, and why normal raid just end on Alexander 90% of the time. You want to do post ARR aliance raid? hope you'll enjoy the hours long Q for those.

Second issues is that it give so much xp while the rest of the leveling content feel useless. Leveling a side job feel terrible, you do roulette for your daily 2 ish level then what? do the shit tier FATE and Yellow quest? Nah the best thing you can do is run the higgest level dungeon, but if you're dps hope you will enjoy the 25 ish minute it take to go in Q then do the dungeon. Now do that 3 or 4 time for a single level. They refuse to put any alternative to leveling cause otherwise, people would avoid roulette.

Last issue is just the sync system kinda suck. Idk for you, but I kinda hate leveling a class, to let say level 76, just for them to take away all my progression just so I can do a level 15 dungeons. It dosen't help that they refuse to add new skills to classes cause of console player being limited in their hotkeys, so the more the game progress in it live cycle, the bigger the gap get between aquired skill. Some class don't even get their main gameplay mechanic until they reach level 50-70. Like I get it, there a reasons they don't give you you're entire kit, but playing Samurai with no Iajutsu is just wrong and boring.

Also they adding trust system so people can do those with NPC now.

[Magikazam]

Grass is always greener once again my friend. If you look at the other big MMO forums, people like you also keep shouting the same thing. No content in any MMO lasts forever, people min-max the hell out of it and anything that needs to be farmed is immediately gotten within a week or so. Just ask the people who ran Bozja or Eureka back in the day, Ill tell you, that content didnt last them a month.

What youre seeking is a pathetic pipe dream. An addiction. Youlll forever be left wanting more because youve gotten the crave. Its time to free yourself from this illusion.

Why you keep saying the grass is greener things, Did I compare it to other MMO in my last post? don't think so. Also you still dodged my question.

[Deveryn]

It only a problem cause there some issues with the system. Overall yes, I agree it good that sprout don't have to wait 3 hours just to do normal Ifrit now. On the otherside, It don't really revive the content and people often cheese the roulettes. There a reason all you get 99% of the time in Alliance raid is Crystal towers ones, and why normal raid just end on Alexander 90% of the time. You want to do post ARR aliance raid? hope you'll enjoy the hours long Q for those.

No one gets CT 99% of the time, but there are people who are absolute babies about it 100% of the time. There are other roulettes available to achieve your goals. The same goes with raid roulette. It's true that it's generally alex or the latest tier, but that's only because it's purely optional content. They've caught onto this with dungeons. Since the tail end of ShB, all the cap dungeons have been linked to MSQ.

I'm mostly ignoring the rest because that's all a you problem. Thank you for answering the question of whether or not you could provide constructive feedback.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why you keep saying the grass is greener things, Did I compare it to other MMO in my last post? don't think so. Also you still dodged my question.

Eureka, Bozja, past Relics, Shared Fates (Gemstones), Blue Magic Spell/Masked Carnivale, Hunt Seal farming for glams etc. What more do I need to point out? I tell you, Ive dabbled every single of these systems and more in the (counts in head) 3? yes 3 years of me consistently playing this game daily yet I still have stuff that I like that I have yet to fully complete. The reason why I keep bringing up grass is greener because my statement holds true with people like yourself whom fall into the trap of "seeking more" rather than doing whats already in the game. People say FFXIV lacks midcore content, yet go to any other community and they'll be saying the same thing. The more you become familiar with a game the more trivial things start to become, its what you decide on what to spend your time is where you get the mileage out an MMO.

All these things I mention are still viable and theres communities out there that'll help you complete those along the way if you put in the effort in finding them. To me, midcore content is less about the "difficulty" of the actual content and more about the time it takes to do it. And if you're a casual player that time easily doubles in your retention because of pacing the content. So yes, I think at this point you're dodging the answers people give you because you dont like hearing the truth spelled out to you. Its ok to accept it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

There's also the fact now that FFXIV runs on slowly expanding its content across expansions. This doesnt apply to everything obviously (looking at you squadron) but everything thats ever been done has not been all released within a single patch. Eureka? Bozja, that content took multiple patches to fully flesh out. Its easy to say that previous content looks a lot more engaging and meaty than what we currently have because its all been completed. Currently we're experiencing the start of new content with IS and Variant Dungeons, and I dont know where people get the idea that the team will no longer make any more exploratory zones in the game. This community certainly loves to assume things doesnt it.