Make garden plots available on islands.

[Jojoya]

Adding a seed that's a single step and doesn't actually interact with any elements of the system isn't really adding new content. You can grow allagan melons in flowerpots. Actually adding something to gardening would be a multi-stage process involving crossbreeding.

When's the last time they added a GATE? Adding a map to Leap of Faith doesn't count, that's not actually new content.

My guess is they're not updating gardening more than the occasional new seed because they're focused on trying to make more houses available for players. Players complain when they feel locked out of new content. It's just a guess though.

As for the GATEs, they already announced they will be adding a new one sometime this expansion. Yes, it's been a while since they added a new one (The Slice is Right in patch 5.1) but not adding a new one every patch doesn't mean that content has been abandoned.

[Gserpent]

My guess is they're not updating gardening more than the occasional new seed because they're focused on trying to make more houses available for players. Players complain when they feel locked out of new content. It's just a guess though.

As for the GATEs, they already announced they will be adding a new one sometime this expansion. Yes, it's been a while since they added a new one (The Slice is Right in patch 5.1) but not adding a new one every patch doesn't mean that content has been abandoned.

I don't see how adding more wards, which is mostly an issue of physical logistics, is mutually exclusive with making a housing system less absolutely awful. I dunno, man. Square-Enix has a serious problem with basically abandoning "side content" for years at a time. PvP has been the best example of this, traditionally - maybe a few minor adjustments here or there, or maybe an occasional new item for purchase from vendors, but otherwise zero significant work done on it for years at a time.

It seems very inefficient, to me. Why even bother putting in so much initial effort if you're not going to continue to dedicate resources to keeping it updated and maintained?

[Nepentha]

I don't see how adding more wards, which is mostly an issue of physical logistics, is mutually exclusive with making a housing system less absolutely awful. I dunno, man. Square-Enix has a serious problem with basically abandoning "side content" for years at a time. PvP has been the best example of this, traditionally - maybe a few minor adjustments here or there, or maybe an occasional new item for purchase from vendors, but otherwise zero significant work done on it for years at a time.

It seems very inefficient, to me. Why even bother putting in so much initial effort if you're not going to continue to dedicate resources to keeping it updated and maintained?

They just did a bunch of work on PvP. Look, things aren't abandoned completely in this game. They do come back when they can to look for improvements and add features. Just because they aren't doing something to every little thing in every patch (there's a lot to do in this game) doesn't mean it's abandoned. It's just working as intended and nothing about it needs to be changed right now, or ideas are already being worked on in the background to be added later.

[Jojoya]

I don't see how adding more wards, which is mostly an issue of physical logistics, is mutually exclusive with making a housing system less absolutely awful. I dunno, man. Square-Enix has a serious problem with basically abandoning "side content" for years at a time. PvP has been the best example of this, traditionally - maybe a few minor adjustments here or there, or maybe an occasional new item for purchase from vendors, but otherwise zero significant work done on it for years at a time.

It seems very inefficient, to me. Why even bother putting in so much initial effort if you're not going to continue to dedicate resources to keeping it updated and maintained?

Gserpent claims SE has been and continues to ignore PvP for years.

SE adds Crystalline Conflict as a new PvP mode in 2022 and it's generally considered a major success by the player base. They've also been reworking how jobs function in PvP on an ongoing basis.

Or are we just imagining that they have been?

SE is like any game developer. They can't be constantly working on every thing they would like to add/change. They have to prioritize. When it comes to housing, they're currently focused in improving things for the have nots instead of the haves. Personally, I'm fine with that. I want to see more players getting the opportunity to enjoy house ownership rather than have them spend the time introducing a new seed for gardening, watch everyone switch to growing it so the market crashes then go back to growing whatever we had been growing before..

[Gserpent]

Gserpent claims SE has been and continues to ignore PvP for years.

SE adds Crystalline Conflict as a new PvP mode in 2022 and it's generally considered a major success by the player base. They've also been reworking how jobs function in PvP on an ongoing basis.

Or are we just imagining that they have been?

SE is like any game developer. They can't be constantly working on every thing they would like to add/change. They have to prioritize. When it comes to housing, they're currently focused in improving things for the have nots instead of the haves. Personally, I'm fine with that. I want to see more players getting the opportunity to enjoy house ownership rather than have them spend the time introducing a new seed for gardening, watch everyone switch to growing it so the market crashes then go back to growing whatever we had been growing before..

I mean, what have they done? They made BLM absurdly overpowered due to what was later explained as a very amateur mistake and then most changes since that point have been remedying the problem they created. Frontlines has just been a very slapdash band-aid fix that trades one set of problems for a different set without really addressing the core issues. And we still have no real fixes planned or talked about for the very numerous issues with ranked mode, nor have we heard anything about new rewards (literally the only reason a majority of people participate in PvP) being added outside of the series. It's also likely that they're going to exacerbate existing issues with the system, as every time they mess with PvP, they mostly increase potency of actions while not increasing defenses or base HP values. Maybe that will come in a future patch? But if they were doing their jobs properly, they wouldn't need to - hence, "do it well, or don't do it at all."

I guess you can make the claim that it's not "abandoned," but it's surely not supported as well as it could be. Or should be.

Which is why I'm saying their method of development comes across to me as wasteful and inefficient. If you're going to do something, do it well. Otherwise don't do it. I don't believe in half measures or spreading yourself too thin to provide a sub-par experience in as many areas as possible. Focus your efforts and excel at a few things, rather than doing many things with mediocrity. It's the reason most restaurants, and almost all *good* restaurants, have a very small menu.

[Jojoya]

So in other words, they have been doing things to maintain and update content but you don't approve of what they've done.

What is doing it well to you may be someone else's terrible job and vice versa. Game design is not an objective, black-or-white situation. There's a lot of subjective opinion involved. There are also limits of technology and resources to work around.

It's fair to say you don't like something in a game's design but all those other claims that they never do anything to maintain or update? Please dial back on the hyperbole because it doesn't accomplish anything.

[Gserpent]

I mean, they objectively made PvP quite a lot worse with the BLM changes. It's rare that a game dev, even one that's as generally open as CBU3, will directly admit an error and walk it back in a follow-up patch. Usually only when they know they made a mistake and they've been caught in it. Calling that "supporting" the content is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

It's also readily apparent that their current strategy of continually increasing potency, but without increasing player HP values or defensive values, is going to lead to a serious problem down the road. Yes, increasing potency by 1,000 or 2,000 here or there is "support," but in my opinion, if it's a net negative, I don't know if I even want that kind of "support." To me, adding new items to the vendors, new maps, etc is what I'd deem to be "support." So, yes, we're getting the new map in 6.3, but what about new vendor items? I suppose there's time for that, they don't usually announce that sort of thing in advance. Virtu sets went over pretty well and I feel like it shouldn't be *too* hard to make more.

[Jojoya]

I mean, they objectively made PvP quite a lot worse with the BLM changes. It's rare that a game dev, even one that's as generally open as CBU3, will directly admit an error and walk it back in a follow-up patch. Usually only when they know they made a mistake and they've been caught in it. Calling that "supporting" the content is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

It's also readily apparent that their current strategy of continually increasing potency, but without increasing player HP values or defensive values, is going to lead to a serious problem down the road. Yes, increasing potency by 1,000 or 2,000 here or there is "support," but in my opinion, if it's a net negative, I don't know if I even want that kind of "support." To me, adding new items to the vendors, new maps, etc is what I'd deem to be "support." So, yes, we're getting the new map in 6.3, but what about new vendor items? I suppose there's time for that, they don't usually announce that sort of thing in advance. Virtu sets went over pretty well and I feel like it shouldn't be *too* hard to make more.

If you're unhappy with the state of PvP, why are you complaining about it in the Housing subforum?

You still haven't said anything that supports your claim that SE doesn't maintain and update content. All you've done is pointed out that you're unhappy with their choices and that certain other players have expressed similar opinions.

[Garten]

If you're unhappy with the state of PvP, why are you complaining about it in the Housing subforum?

You still haven't said anything that supports your claim that SE doesn't maintain and update content. All you've done is pointed out that you're unhappy with their choices and that certain other players have expressed similar opinions.

Personally there are some areas where i would like some updates, instead of new system.. example: you know how many AI companion systems we have? FOUR.

1) Chocobo companion (abandoned)
2) Squadron (abandoned)
3) Trusts
4) The new system with silly characters without name

Also 3 and 4 can often overlap, in a way that in One system, Trusts dont get exp, in the other they do, but Need to be leveled up on par with the dung level.

Personally i would have builded on the Squadron thing and made:

1) improved on them and in their kit and made them available on more dungs (no Need for Trusts and the new system).
2) let you summon ONE on open world with a reduced kit (if the base One Is too stringo) aka: Chocobo reskin (but the with tank stance working).

[Gserpent]

If you're unhappy with the state of PvP, why are you complaining about it in the Housing subforum?

You still haven't said anything that supports your claim that SE doesn't maintain and update content. All you've done is pointed out that you're unhappy with their choices and that certain other players have expressed similar opinions.

I mean, we could look at the gold saucer in general and see evidence of it there. The problem is that you're taking an *extremely* reductive definition of "supports" here, such that no one can ever truly declare something to be unsupported even when it functionally is. It's typical webforums/reddit nonsense.

On topic, when is the last time there was a *substantial* change to gardening? Okay, they added Allagan Melons in Shadowbringers - a seed that's purchased from a vendor for gil and does not involve crossbreeding or anything else in gardening, and can indeed be grown in flowerpots just fine. That's something added to gardening by a *very* generous definition of the term, but since it doesn't interact with gardening systems *at all*, I'd argue it's not supporting the system.