Houses should have a monthly fee

[Themarvin]

You're right that it shouldn't be necessary, but SE created a system where something has to be done due to the limited supply.

So how else do you suggest getting houses back into circulation for those who want one but can't get one?

The game throws money at players for actively participating in content other than PvP and Gold Saucer. A lot of players could help themselves by being smarter about how they're spending the gil they receive. They need to be asking themselves why they're "poor" when other players aren't.


How do any of those numbers represent a grind?

I take 30 minutes per character each week to do 4-5 weekly hunt bills plus 12 Custom Deliveries. I make roughly 90k gil in those 30 minutes (which will include gil bonuses from Challenge log entry completion). That's already 360k gil a month versus the 250k suggested as a tax and doesn't touch on how I turn other things earned doing that content (hunt currency and crafter/gatherer scrip) into more gil. Then there's all the other content I play that also rewards gil or things that can be turned into gil.

There's no additional grind needed. You just need to play the game, which is presumably what players are here to do. If the only reason someone logs in is to hang around in Limsa gossiping, then of course they're not going to be earning gil but they don't also need a house if all they do is hang around in Limsa.

It could be done by other means as well each house you own more than one on the account cost 1million for small 3millions for medium and 7millions for large per month per additional private house... same roulette for FC's more than 1.

Meaning you go free from any tax if you only got 1 house and max FC owner of 1 FC house.... that sorta make it fair for those that can stay within the limit and would prey upon those that seem to need to have wards and multiple houses cross all regions and the likes.

That way you get to pay to exceed a limit, and it is worth it if you actually run 2 FC's whatever given size with everyone being able to pitch in a small fee.

[UkcsAlias]

How do any of those numbers represent a grind?

I take 30 minutes per character each week to do 4-5 weekly hunt bills plus 12 Custom Deliveries. I make roughly 90k gil in those 30 minutes (which will include gil bonuses from Challenge log entry completion). That's already 360k gil a month versus the 250k suggested as a tax and doesn't touch on how I turn other things earned doing that content (hunt currency and crafter/gatherer scrip) into more gil. Then there's all the other content I play that also rewards gil or things that can be turned into gil.

Now consider a player that has all the DoL and DoH at level 0 (yes, they arent unlocked!).

And yes, they can be a more dedicated player than one who has all dol/doh at 90. But they arent going to make money this fast. Sure, their houses might have less decorations, but so what? It can be part of their enjoyment to have a very slow build of up decorations. Asking those people to now level up those classes to make more gil is still just a grind (and one they arent likely to do when the odds for a house are horrible).

A gil tax on houses is just bad.

Also, his suggestion also includes 1m for large plots, and while its unlikely to get one. Those who get one shouldnt be forced into a grind.

[DeNada]

It could be done by other means as well each house you own more than one on the account cost 1million for small 3millions for medium and 7millions for large per month per additional private house... same roulette for FC's more than 1.

Meaning you go free from any tax if you only got 1 house and max FC owner of 1 FC house.... that sorta make it fair for those that can stay within the limit and would prey upon those that seem to need to have wards and multiple houses cross all regions and the likes.

That way you get to pay to exceed a limit, and it is worth it if you actually run 2 FC's whatever given size with everyone being able to pitch in a small fee.

Yes....I feel that this is a rather fair way to implemeny the housing tax.

For those who own only 1 personal and 1 FC, they do not get penalized as this is intended by SE.

Whereas hoarders who exploited loopholes to own more than that or even an entire ward and this depriving other players will have to make a choice whether to give up their property or face a hefty house tax on each additional houses owned on their account beyond the intended limit. Since SE will never take actions to remove these houses from hoarders, this is the next best suggestion I can think of.

[Gserpent]

If you got 10 of them it is 2.500.000 per month for a cottage, yes sort of easy to get.

Dude. You can make a couple million a month from a single fight club sub. And you can have four of them rolling, per shell FC you own or operate. If someone's owning that many houses, they are absolutely going to be running subs out of some of them.

Like, gil is incredibly easy to make even without manipulating market boards. Given that the only gil sinks are minuscule (the most expensive teleport cost is, what, like 2k?), it's pretty much inevitable that someone that participates in the game is going to make tons of gil over time.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Gil will never be the answer to anything here, you have players who are gil capped on multiple accounts, who could buy and pay rent for like half the server and you have new players who struggle to make their first 3mil to afford their small, if those had to pay rent they would be fked fast.

And if you say "well only after the first" you open the door even harder for whales to rule entire wards.

[Yodada]

I'm on Marvins side. All power to the Rich that they can buy even more land and down with the poor ones who cant afford the monthly tax. Hail to the Rich.

[UkcsAlias]

And if you say "well only after the first" you open the door even harder for whales to rule entire wards.

Depends on the scaling though. There are ways to make it nearly impossible to maintain (exponential cost growth).
For example, lets say the first house has no tax, 2nd has 1m, 3rd has 4m (totals 5m), 4th has 16m (totals 21m). It very quickly adds up. And yes, they might be able to still maintain this, but in this case its still just going to be older accounts as new ones still wont be able to buy a 2nd one. It would just punish older house owners.

The ward takeovers are already done using multiple accounts, they arent going to face that tax, especialy when its FC's (because taxing FC houses is just like individuals a stupid idea).

[Nepentha]

Depends on the scaling though. There are ways to make it nearly impossible to maintain (exponential cost growth).
For example, lets say the first house has no tax, 2nd has 1m, 3rd has 4m (totals 5m), 4th has 16m (totals 21m). It very quickly adds up. And yes, they might be able to still maintain this, but in this case its still just going to be older accounts as new ones still wont be able to buy a 2nd one. It would just punish older house owners.

The ward takeovers are already done using multiple accounts, they arent going to face that tax, especialy when its FC's (because taxing FC houses is just like individuals a stupid idea).

The problem with this is it punishes a very small portion of players. Multihouse ownership is impossible for personal housing anymore and the number of people who own more than one house is infinitesimal at this point and shrinking further over time naturally via attrition. And most of those people own, at most, one extra personal house.

Why everyone is wasting their energies on such a small number of people is beyond me. Why are people so obsessed with what others have rather than push people to get SE to provide housing for everyone?

[Eraden]

The problem with this is it punishes a very small portion of players. Multihouse ownership is impossible for personal housing anymore and the number of people who own more than one house is infinitesimal at this point and shrinking further over time naturally via attrition. And most of those people own, at most, one extra personal house.

Why everyone is wasting their energies on such a small number of people is beyond me. Why are people so obsessed with what others have rather than push people to get SE to provide housing for everyone?

It's the cannibalistic behavior that comes with a scarcity of resources and a collapse of society.

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

I'm on Marvins side. All power to the Rich that they can buy even more land and down with the poor ones who cant afford the monthly tax. Hail to the Rich.

This unironically