keeping pace with savage raid gearing.

[Jeeqbit]

I am just getting frustrated with how the lack of gear drops on the current tier have gone for me so far...

I've always been able to fully gear my main and then get loot for alts, without even taking books into account. I also run an alt that has always got extra loot for no reason since I only play one job on it. I'm one of the last in line for loot when I'm in a static, yet I'm still able to get loot for alts. I think you just need to raid for more weeks.

[ForteNightshade]

I've always been able to fully gear my main and then get loot for alts, without even taking books into account. I also run an alt that has always got extra loot for no reason since I only play one job on it. I'm one of the last in line for loot when I'm in a static, yet I'm still able to get loot for alts. I think you just need to raid for more weeks.

Key word being static. In PF, you're entirely at the mercy of RNG. While you may get everything you need within a month. Someone else may go three months barely winning anything. Which is the inherent problem with the current loot system. It's downright dreadful for PF. Without some luck, you could literally go the entire patch length only ever gearing a single job. Hence why a lot of people simply stop bothering.

[Jeeqbit]

Key word being static.

No, I clearly mentioned an alt and that I had done tiers without a static and had plenty of loot then too. I think OP just hasn't been clearing for many weeks yet and just doesn't want to do the necessary amount of reclears.

The loot was nerfed a lot this tier as well. Boots drop from both P6S and P7S. The amount of books they cost was reduced.

[Reinha]

I think OP just hasn't been clearing for many weeks yet and just doesn't want to do the necessary amount of reclears.

I suspect it is the case as well.

A little maths. On week 14 people can have 9 loot items (brine, twine, shine, abyssos gear) from books alone from p5s-p7s. One could have also gotten 2 ultralight tomestones with normal mode raid weapon tokens and also causality tome gear. This is what everyone has access to without any luck involved.

The expected amount of loot drops (ultralight tomestone, brine, twine, shine, abyssos gear) would be
p5s: 14 x 3/8 = 5.25
p6s: 14 x 4/8 = 7
p7s: 14 x 4/8 = 7
total: 19.25 drops on average
total with tokens: 19.25 + 2 + 9 = 30.25 items on average

I have 30 loot items divided between RPR (630), SGE (625) and DNC (625). That is an average amount of loot, so half of the raiders who have been clearing these bosses should have more gear than I do. Yet almost no parties are asking more than 620 item level for savage or criterion, which means I'm more than sufficiently geared on all 3 jobs. Without getting any loot from p8s as well.

To say that it's hard to gear up or play alts is just not true, as long as you keep playing the game instead of quitting when it's quiet. I suspect the latter is why there are so many complaints about gear. They want it instantly, so they can drop their sub and go play another game.

[Raikai]

No, I clearly mentioned an alt and that I had done tiers without a static and had plenty of loot then too. I think OP just hasn't been clearing for many weeks yet and just doesn't want to do the necessary amount of reclears.

The loot was nerfed a lot this tier as well. Boots drop from both P6S and P7S. The amount of books they cost was reduced.

It still has nothing to do with the fact that you're at the mercy of RNG as a PF raider. I spent exactly eight weeks without winning anything on P5S reclears trying to gear up a healer alt job. Of course, I can get there with the pity books, but it's a terribly disheartening process.

What we could have without disrupting the flow of statics too much is simply 2 different loot modes defined by the party leader: one as it is today and a second one that will keep people from getting multiple chests at the same time.

Of course, you'd still be facing RNG, but much less so when you know that at the very least the same person can't get every loot in the fight.

[Reinha]

What we could have without disrupting the flow of statics too much is simply 2 different loot modes defined by the party leader: one as it is today and a second one that will keep people from getting multiple chests at the same time.

That's a great idea for PF. Auto pass on loot when something drops in your inventory, like in normal mode. Then people can Need what they want the most and Greed the rest. Probably should have a separate roll for music and mounts though.

They could also add a "books only" mode where no gear or tokens drop at all and everyone gets 2 books instead of 1 book. It's slightly less loot overall but it would be great for those who hate RNG. It would also make it easier for parties where someone has already cleared that week.

[DixieBellOCE]

I've always been able to fully gear my main and then get loot for alts, without even taking books into account. I also run an alt that has always got extra loot for no reason since I only play one job on it. I'm one of the last in line for loot when I'm in a static, yet I'm still able to get loot for alts. I think you just need to raid for more weeks.

8 weeks to get BiS from p5-7 felt terrible, i doubt ill ever main healer again for a tier.
I got nothing for the first 7 weeks except book purchases.

I'd be happy with more options to obtain gear outside of the weekly tomestone cap and savage clears. Hell just delete the tome cap after the first 4 weeks when the hardcore players have cleared and let me take budget non-BiS peices just to up my HP to make relcears smoother.

[Jeeqbit]

Many people have said that FFXIV does not have a treadmill.

You misunderstand what they mean then. It does not have a treadmill to begin raiding like WoW does because crafted gear is enough. But it does have a gear treadmill to max item level if you are interested in max item level and always has.

Crafted gear is enough to do almost all content in the game except ultimates. The gear makes you more powerful, which is fun, but it's not really necessary to do things and that is probably what those people mean.

Why is the OP being blamed for not “grinding” enough? What game is this?

A game with a gear treadmill.

I'd be down to loosening the tome cap earlier on, aswell as loosing the weekly loot lockout.

A lot of people don't clear that fast. There are still parties up progressing through it now. It would end the tier for them much too early.

[PirateRyanG]

You misunderstand what they mean then. It does not have a treadmill to begin raiding like WoW does because crafted gear is enough. But it does have a gear treadmill to max item level if you are interested in max item level and always has.

Crafted gear is enough to do almost all content in the game except ultimates. The gear makes you more powerful, which is fun, but it's not really necessary to do things and that is probably what those people mean.

A game with a gear treadmill.

A lot of people don't clear that fast. There are still parties up progressing through it now. It would end the tier for them much too early.

Just as a note, WOW no longer has that gear treadmill. Well, not quite as bad as it was.

Crafted gear is better than dungeon gear. It isn't meant to be a stop-gap. It genuinely is better than dungeon gear.

The new expansion has been designed to make crafting much, much more relevant. It is just a grind to get those recipes as a crafter.

[Jeeqbit]

Just as a note, WOW no longer has that gear treadmill. Well, not quite as bad as it was.

Not yet, at least. People are being positive now, but they've been that way before. Maybe when it's been a while I'll use past tense.