How to make TBN feel on par with other tank Mit.

[Tint]

While yes, TBN is great in itself and I don't want any changes to that skill, I have one issue with the whole situation:

In ShB the general opinion was that the tanks were better balanced than ever before. DPS-wise and mitigation wise. TBN shield vs self-sustain basically.

Now every tank got a huge buff to their short mitigation CD except DRK. How is that balanced still?

[Jeeqbit]

If it breaks, TBN is good to use on trash autos in dungeons. Unless a boss has extremely hard-hitting autos that take 25% of your health, it's probably not worth it even in raids.

In ShB the general opinion was that the tanks were better balanced than ever before. DPS-wise and mitigation wise. TBN shield vs self-sustain basically.

Now every tank got a huge buff to their short mitigation CD except DRK. How is that balanced still?

In Shadowbringers, in my opinion, TBN was the best. All they did in Endwalker was bring the other tanks up to its level.

Warrior's didn't change much except some extra mit because it healed about the same as it does now if used on Inner Chaos. Warrior's was pretty good in Shadowbringers, but Nascent Flash was not a mitigation, so they still had to receive the damage first unlike Dark Knights.

Paladin had no self-heals except Clemency and Sheltron didn't compare to what TBN and Souleater were doing for Dark Knights.

Gunbreaker's was almost as bad except their combo had shields and heals and they had a regen, so they managed better than a Paladin, but not as well as a Warrior or Dark Knight.

Endwalker merely brought Paladin and Gunbreaker up to Dark Knight's level and it was mainly those two that got buffed.

The problem is as I explained earlier that those buffs made them more versatile. TBN is fantastic but in situations where a shield isn't as effective, they lose out to the raw mits and regens and heals that the other tanks got.

One way to fight it might be to combine Shadow Wall with Oblation or Dark Mind instead of TBN, and then apply TBN later (in Abyssos, after the dot is already applied), because shields still absorb dot ticks after the cast completes.

[Midareyukki]

Now every tank got a huge buff to their short mitigation CD except DRK. How is that balanced still?

It's not. And that's the issue. DRK has a pretty strong shield that's now hard to balance, because while it's strong, it's still not something you can compare to the likes of Bloodwhetting or HoC. But add anything to the shield and it surpasses those other skills.

DRK had Oblation to make up for it, but it doesn't make up for it. Not entirely.

And then there's the rest of its kit, which works at face-value, generically. But then you look at the other tanks and it just "lacks" something.

[Raoabolic]

And then there's the rest of its kit, which works at face-value, generically. But then you look at the other tanks and it just "lacks" something.

It's called a lack of HP regen. A funtime shield is okay but not when you compare it to Pld's defensive kit and War's Benediction they can spam every 15 seconds in a group pull.

[Oizen]

It's called a lack of HP regen. A funtime shield is okay but not when you compare it to Pld's defensive kit and War's Benediction they can spam every 15 seconds in a group pull.

In that case the clear problem is Abyssal Drain having a pathetic heal potency and a 60s CD, and oddly stapled to Carve and Spit in Endwalker for no real reason.
Skill could honestly have its heal potency doubled and its cooldown halved and it would probably be fine.

I really dont like the fact its attached to Carve now, because that skills fine as a 60s ogcd.
When I want changes to Abyssal, I don't want changes to Carve, but they're attached now because Square Enix said so.

[SylvAlternate]

Personally I think they should just make TBN cost 2000mp, changing it from "high risk (possible loss of 460p) minimal reward (less pressure on healers)" to "high risk (possible loss of 460p) high reward (gain 460p for every 3 uses, possible extra gains due to kill time, less pressure on healers)

although this would reward smart usage of the skill and inspire further optimization, so the devs will never allow it

[Lubu_Mykono]

I think it's fine the way it is. It benefits those that learn the fights directly.

[Axious]

Interesting idea I just had. Create a 3rd gauge specifically for TBN.

Gauge is valued off of damage taken. Replenishing the gauge the more damage you take.

Treat tbn gauge like a 3 stack mechanic. Press tbn once receive a 33% of a shield.
Twice 66% shield.
Three times 99% shield.

No idea on shield value. Just had a random thought.

[Jeeqbit]

While I remember, the multiple Dark Arts idea is mostly just useful for people who are trying to save it for a burst window, because you can just use it right away normally.

[Frostyyy]

Interesting idea I just had. Create a 3rd gauge specifically for TBN.

Gauge is valued off of damage taken. Replenishing the gauge the more damage you take.

Treat tbn gauge like a 3 stack mechanic. Press tbn once receive a 33% of a shield.
Twice 66% shield.
Three times 99% shield.

No idea on shield value. Just had a random thought.

The main reason this wont work and old make it TBN feel worse is button bloat. Its not a bad idea its just DRK already has too many buttons to hit