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  1. #101
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo View Post
    That seems to be what DPS players do and the Devs give some ground.
    You mean like what happened to Kaiten and MCH?

    But I agree, always be vocal. It's not about if things actually change or not. It's about doing what's right, and telling the devs what you want is what's right, always.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    You mean like what happened to Kaiten and MCH?

    But I agree, always be vocal. It's not about if things actually change or not. It's about doing what's right, and telling the devs what you want is what's right, always.
    Yes, but how many times have we seen MrHappy or some such influencer at the media tour ask 'hey it looks like healers have less to do in downtime, is there a plan for more healing requirements to compensate for this or what's going on there' and the question gets dodged. That's assuming the question even gets asked, most of the time healer is just glossed over at these Q+A stuff. And when we are vocal, often times it's just met with derision like Yoshida's 'if you want to feel challenged as a healer, go try ultimate' or various players parroting 'dont worry there will be so much more damage to heal even in story dungeons you wont even have time to dps', basing that opinion off of some footage from IGN or something where they stand in every orange AOE because they don't play MMOs all that much, and don't know the game's way of 'giving tells' to the player. Not their fault, but it shouldn't be used as a benchmark of 'look how much damage Tower of Zot does!!!!'

    The JP playerbase asking why there's such a healer shortage this tier is good as it means SE will actually look at healers for once, but I assume its just going to lead to them reverting to P1-4S healing requirements, deeming the 'extra healing required' of this tier as a failed experiment. So P9-12S will hit as hard as P1-4S did (maybe slightly more), and healers will still have one button to press that causes like 70% of their damage. It's funny and sad that we should always be vocal, as that's what we are doing here. But people keep saying we're being selfish, or 'healers are not meant to do damage', or 'there is no room for more dps actions on healer hotbars' to try and silence us (or at least get us to shut up a little bit). They reverted Mirage Dive after players gave feedback about it feeling bad (especially in regards to DSR I hear), but they don't acknowledge Kaiten feedback, so evidently there's some voices that are 'more heard' than others, and I guess 'healers in general' fall into the latter pretty heavily. If they were in the former, we wouldn't even need to voice our concerns because we'd have actual design.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    You mean like what happened to Kaiten and MCH?

    But I agree, always be vocal. It's not about if things actually change or not. It's about doing what's right, and telling the devs what you want is what's right, always.
    This is the dumbest logic I've ever seen out of you. What if what people want is bad for them and the game? You all need to be saved from yourselves
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  4. #104
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    This is the dumbest logic I've ever seen out of you. What if what people want is bad for them and the game? You all need to be saved from yourselves
    I'm just morally superior to you. What I want is always what's best for me and the game. I'm immune to demoralization.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I'm just morally superior to you. What I want is always what's best for me and the game. I'm immune to demoralization.
    You can't be morally superior to me given your lack of knowledge and advocation of imbalance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I don't care if it was a nightmare to BaLaNcE, it was fun. It had soul. Giving BLMs Enhanced Arrows and BRDs Extended Spears for more procs was so much fun. It wasn't all just AoE Balance. Throw a Ewer on your co-healer that just died and got res'd, laugh as you draw 6 Balances in a row and start dumping Enhanced Balances on your best DPS then extend it with your OGCD buff I forget the name of, Time Dialation?

    I miss it so much. SB AST was best AST.
    Maybe if they have both a damage component and an additional effect it would be easier to balance while keeping unique flavors.
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  7. #107
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Maybe if they have both a damage component and an additional effect it would be easier to balance while keeping unique flavors.
    You know, that's a really brilliant idea.
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  8. #108
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    its an idea that's been brought up before but as usual for SE, they ignore it

    4/6 cards can be returned with no issues. Spire needs to be changed, Balance depends on how much SE favours people who enjoy the rng over people who optimise
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    its an idea that's been brought up before but as usual for SE, they ignore it

    4/6 cards can be returned with no issues. Spire needs to be changed, Balance depends on how much SE favours people who enjoy the rng over people who optimise
    Spire could be a mini sprint bonus, maybe?

    Alternatively, since the cards are pairs according to seals, they could also make just 3 secondary effects and pair them up.

    One thing that would be cool was if the cards' pairs could be defined to be used on tanks/healers/dpsers instead of just dpsers.
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  10. #110
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Someone suggested Bole be physical damage reduction while Spire be magical damage reduction
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