Constant Vulgarity in Public Chat. WHY is this allowed?

[Xeronia]

I was in no way trying to throw people who does ERP under the bus and I hardly consider a week pause on a topic a necro myself. I largely just wanted ERP out of a public space.

The messages I received are just one creep but would the person have even sent that message if the culture wasn't so present and prevalent in the game. Shout chat is filled with 18+ stuff that clearly advertise brothels, courtesans, lap dances, body shots and that is just what I remember from the last month from doing Omicron Dailies.

I personally just do not want to be involved if this is the image the game is going to present to those joining it, and that random creep just made me more sure of that fact. Again I would be perfectly fine if this was all behind closed doors and private but it hardly is anymore. I don't want to have to use odd go arounds such as just removing shout chat or third party add-ons for things that in my view should clearly be breaking the rules of a T rated game. (I know online interactions are not rated and all but I find it kinda funny I was recommended PSO2: New Genesis which is rated M and they have rules against this kinda of thing.)

I hope at least my points have been clarified?

[LianaThorne]

I was in no way trying to throw people who does ERP under the buss and I hardly consider a week pause on a topic a necro myself. I largely just wanted ERP out of a public space.

The messages I received are just one creep but would the person have even sent that message if the culture wasn't so present and prevalent in the game. Shout chat is filled with 18+ stuff that clearly advertise brothels, courtesans, lap dances, body shots and that is just what I remember from the last month from doing Omicron Dailies.

I personally just do not want to be involved if this is the image the game is going to present to those joining it, and that random creep just made me more sure of that fact. Again I would be perfectly fine if this was all behind closed doors and private but it hardly is anymore. I don't want to have to use odd go arounds such as just removing shout chat or third party add-ons for things that in my view should clearly be breaking the rules of a T rated game. (I know online interactions are not rated and all but I find it kinda funny I was recommended PSO2: New Genesis which is rated M and they have rules against this kinda of thing.)

I hope at least my points have been clarified?

It's a choice to judge an entire community based off the actions of one person but it's your life. There are plenty of people who will say they haven't been solicited at all by randoms and those who have been but choose to ignore it and move forward. You can also report people for solicitation or public ERP (private is completely allowed however). If you don't want to then I wish you luck in future games, maybe stick to single player ones as well since you'll get sexually harassed in any game you go to whether you're a man or woman.

Side note, as someone who does play NGS, the ban on ERP is pretty much non-existent now with them focusing on crushing RMT (which in turn is killing the small playerbase they have because anyone who has something bought on the player shop by someone else who has RMT'd also gets banned). In general though no one ERPs through NGS anyway because their chat system is hot garbage, though you will absolutely see pretty close to full nudity all the time with their available character customization and outfit choices. So, honestly going to NGS would just force you to see more sexualization than FF even gets close too. It's M for a reason.

[Xeronia]

It's a choice to judge an entire community based off the actions of one person but it's your life. There are plenty of people who will say they haven't been solicited at all by randoms and those who have been but choose to ignore it and move forward. You can also report people for solicitation or public ERP (private is completely allowed however). If you don't want to then I wish you luck in future games, maybe stick to single player ones as well since you'll get sexually harassed in any game you go to whether you're a man or woman.

Side note, as someone who does play NGS, the ban on ERP is pretty much non-existent now with them focusing on crushing RMT (which in turn is killing the small playerbase they have because anyone who has something bought on the player shop by someone else who has RMT'd also gets banned). In general though, no one ERPs through NGS, though you will absolutely see pretty close to full nudity all the time with their available character customization and outfit choices. So, honestly going to NGS would just force you to see more sexualization than FF even gets close too. It's M for a reason.

I kinda expect skimp city in a M rated MMO and thus far have had zero issues as you know I went in expecting that, my issue is again this is rated T, Yoshi P is on record saying the youngest age that can play this is 12 in certain regions. I find what I see constantly now a bit excessive for 12-18 age range and question how well all these places are monitoring that minors aren't getting in.

Again I have no issues when this is all private between consenting adults. At the moment I would hardly call it private.

[Midareyukki]

The messages I received are just one creep but would the person have even sent that message if the culture wasn't so present and prevalent in the game. Shout chat is filled with 18+ stuff that clearly advertise brothels, courtesans, lap dances, body shots and that is just what I remember from the last month from doing Omicron Dailies.
I hope at least my points have been clarified?

Well, this has already been addressed: it shouldn't be spammed everywhere, but you also won't stop those things from existing.

And you insist that it's not your intention to judge a community based off of that one guy, but that's how your words are being construed. Sorry, but also be mindful of what it is you're saying.

Again, I said as much: you're right, the community shouldn't normalize that sort of thing, because it doesn't matter how you spin it, sexual content isn't allowed by Square Enix and it is very frowned upon. People were banned before for having lewd and suggestive profile portraits.
So I won't say you're wrong in expressing this. But even before the rampant normalization, you still had creeps like these out there. It in no way is ERP's fault, nor the fault of people engaging in it. So yes, I'm sorry, but you are conflating the two. I understand why, and I won't deny that the normalization likely had some input on it... but it wasn't the only factor, nor does that one person speak for the community as a whole. I reiterate: before ERP got normalized, you still had ERP going on, often behind closed doors because it could land them in trouble, and you still had creeps going around asking for the most disgusting things. I had to come in as a Roegadyn to scare off a dude harassing a Miqo'te in my FC because of stuff like this in Stormblood, long before the massive influx of players into the game.

It's just, again, someone who didn't respect your boundaries nor understood the meaning of restraint and rejection.

Things do need to be addressed. But to say that because of one person, you're blaming the rampant normalization of things and quitting the game entirely over it...?

On the topic of other games, that doesn't mean it's inherently any better. Square Enix also has rules on this sort of thing, they're just loosely enforced. PSO isn't unique. And guess what, they usually tend to only act when reported, they otherwise don't want to start parsing through players' chats. It's why back then people were more private about it. But as of Shadowbringers, something happened, and now the community normalized that sort of venue. And while it in itself is a problem that needs to be addressed, the way you're phrasing it goes beyond the normalization of this sort of thing.

[AngelCheese77]

...you necro'd this thread to say that one person pestering you for ERP made you quit the entirety of the game?

You're correlating the two topics. That person was definitely an arse and should be reported. But there's nothing inherently wrong with ERP other than claims to pudor. It doesn't breed horrible behaviour as much as owning a dog doesn't mean you'll sic it on other people.

So really, the fault there lies on the person, not the roleplayers.

That said, I do agree that sexual content of any kind is explicitly against what Square is comfortable with. And the normalisation of ERP venues being so publicly advertised leads to people speaking about ERP in the open and encouraging others to do it. But ERP itself is harmless when done in private areas with consent of both parties.

Really, one person being a douche doesn't mean ERPers as a whole are douches. Just that that one guy clearly doesn't know the meaning of "boundaries", "personal space" and "restraint".

Only 2 weeks. That isn’t a necro. Get it right rofl

I think you meant “ Why did you bring this crap to the front page again?”

[Midareyukki]

Only 2 weeks. That isn’t a necro. Get it right rofl

I think you meant “ Why did you bring this crap to the front page again?”

I mean, I haven't seen anyone talk about it for 2 weeks, might as well be dead for me :^)

Especially when nothing constructive is added to the thread.

Also, they didn't need you to come in and defend them, they already made it clear. Or did you stop at my response to mald?

(By "constructive" I mean that what they said wasn't new. We already discussed it before, not that their experience isn't valid)

[SamSmoot]

I never see anything like this. I see a lot of ads for nightclub stuff, but nothing I can identify as inappropriate. I don't see these much either, since I blacklist evere one that posts the same add more than twice.

[Renalt]

Today I was doing squats in my normal spot in Uldah when a Midlander woman decided to lay down so I was squatting on her face. No words were exchanged...only emotions.

Good times.

[Midareyukki]

Today I was doing squats in my normal spot in Uldah when a Midlander woman decided to lay down so I was squatting on her face. No words were exchanged...only emotions.

Good times.

Odd, that usually only happens in PVP :think:

[LianaThorne]

I kinda expect skimp city in a M rated MMO and thus far have had zero issues as you know I went in expecting that, my issue is again this is rated T, Yoshi P is on record saying the youngest age that can play this is 12 in certain regions. I find what I see constantly now a bit excessive for 12-18 age range and question how well all these places are monitoring that minors aren't getting in.

Again I have no issues when this is all private between consenting adults. At the moment I would hardly call it private.

All you can do is report the person, add them to blacklist and move forward. There's no actual realistic way to stop people from doing it outside of a bot that flags peoples text and assigns auto bans...which will just cause more problems than it solves when people start getting banned out of nowhere when the bot acts up (speaking as someone who had gotten a 3 day ban on another game when I said the word "train" and the bot flagged it as vulgarity.)

Also not sure why you're including 18 in this as, at least in the US, 18 is when you become a legal adult and can engage in sexual practices freely. I could also go into age of consent laws where some countries have it as young as 13, so depending on where youre from it could be completely normal to see stuff like that (which is a problem in itself but I'm not from there). This is a global game so you're gonna have people mixing together where it could be completely appropriate where they're from and not where someone else is from.