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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfidan View Post
    What if they just opened the previous up via token but still required the rank to buy? Would that not be a happy compromise. I do agree Ultimate weapons are a bad analogy, but I'm not sure how you could make a better one.

    Unique trophies are nothing new, every sport has those. The general consensus seems to be we don't want it to be a sport.
    Fundamentally anything that has two sides of a table interacting with the other side as their goal and hurdle is a competition and if it has enough room for skill expression is essentially a sport. Not a physical activity one, but it is a competition.

    PvP is fundamentally a competition and Ranked is making a competition and essentially comparing skill levels. To say we don't want something to be a sport means we have to eliminate PvP/Ranked as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    To say we don't want something to be a sport means we have to eliminate PvP/Ranked as a whole.
    Yeah no I agree with you I'm just saying between the lack of reward structure and the player base going hard at casual queue it seems like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Fundamentally anything that has two sides of a table interacting with the other side as their goal and hurdle is a competition and if it has enough room for skill expression is essentially a sport. Not a physical activity one, but it is a competition.

    PvP is fundamentally a competition and Ranked is making a competition and essentially comparing skill levels. To say we don't want something to be a sport means we have to eliminate PvP/Ranked as a whole.
    I think what most people are missing when using the word "sport" is actually how loaded it is. Game predates sport, and sport just introduces a baotload of highly loaded things. Sport is a product of modern society, shaped around striving for performance, and based around competition and yield, with repetition and hyper specialization. It entertains the myths of equality of chances in front of a challenge, and it sucks out the fun out of pretty much everything.

    That's where I couldn't disagree more, I don't want to play the mode for competition. I want to play the game with people of similar skill than myself; and have fun as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    I think what most people are missing when using the word "sport" is actually how loaded it is. Game predates sport, and sport just introduces a baotload of highly loaded things. Sport is a product of modern society, shaped around striving for performance, and based around competition and yield, with repetition and hyper specialization. It entertains the myths of equality of chances in front of a challenge, and it sucks out the fun out of pretty much everything.

    That's where I couldn't disagree more, I don't want to play the mode for competition. I want to play the game with people of similar skill than myself; and have fun as a result.
    this 100%, while rewards are nice id much rather focus on the fun.
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