Ranked Crystalline Conflict needs old Feast rewards to keep it alive

[Eisi]

Though I have to argue, the "foiks" who asked for little to no exclusives are for one completely new to me, for another sound like they have either no idea how much of an impact it has on Ranked or never cared in the first place for Ranked and just wanted it to be "if I can't have it then neither can you", which is sadly the state for various individuals I read here.

When people say they don't want exclusives, they don't mean things like The Necromancer being only awarded to those who reach floor 200 of PotD solo. They don't mean Ultimate weapons. They don't mean Hunt mounts or any reward like that which might be locked behind a challenge or a grind, but is theoretically available to everyone.

They mean time-limited and placement-limited exclusives which by design can not be gained by everyone at least in theory.

It would be disingenuous of me to say that you only want to get top 100 rewards back because you - as a skilled PvP enjoyer - want something nobody else can have. Not only because you didn't even ask for limited exclusives of that nature if I understand you correctly, but also because I would be reading into your mind as to what your motivation is.

So please don't read into people's minds like that. There is almost nobody in the world who would argue that Necromancer should not be gated by soloing palace and there's almost nobody against exclusive Ranked CC rewards - it's time- and placement-limited generic character customization rewards that are being argued against.

I personally never asked for anything. i'm just befuddled by the need to have unique trophies or whatever. It stinks of fragile egos if that's the real motivation behind playing ranked.

Don't read into people's minds like that. It might very well be that the people who just so happen to get the top 100 seasonal rewards actually do care about the health of the game mode and truly believe that such rewards are healthy for the game. I disagree with that notion, but to discredit their character like that is to end up with a discussion like the following:

One side: Wants everything for everyone allegedly but WOULD have rewards limited to themselves if they weren't so incapable, so they demand handouts as their only way of getting anything. CC will die because nothing is to be gained by achieving greatness.
Other side: Allegedly wants everything for themselves and others not to have shit. Only cares about virtual prestige and only achieves greatness to take away from others. Sociopaths are the only remaining contenders for top 100.

If these are the real motivations behind this whole discussion, then the health of the game mode is not actually the subject and just an excuse. These are mad positions to hold.

[Valence]

Don't read into people's minds like that. It might very well be that the people who just so happen to get the top 100 seasonal rewards actually do care about the health of the game mode and truly believe that such rewards are healthy for the game. I disagree with that notion, but to discredit their character like that is to end up with a discussion like the following:

One side: Wants everything for everyone allegedly but WOULD have rewards limited to themselves if they weren't so incapable, so they demand handouts as their only way of getting anything. CC will die because nothing is to be gained by achieving greatness.
Other side: Allegedly wants everything for themselves and others not to have shit. Only cares about virtual prestige and only achieves greatness to take away from others. Sociopaths are the only remaining contenders for top 100.

If these are the real motivations behind this whole discussion, then the health of the game mode is not actually the subject and just an excuse. These are mad positions to hold.

I think you're misconstruing my comment. I never pointed specifically at high ranked players and the people getting the rewards. I have also been into top 100 feast, got a nice mount that I actually love, but if anybody wants to enjoy it too, please, be my guest and have fun?

Don't read into my mind either. I'm not in your strawman first side, by far. I am a low top ranking player that advocates for equality of access to rewards. Anybody can have even an ultimate reward. May be hard, may be almost impossible for some, but the content isn't going away and you can try. FOMO pvp is going away every time.

And I lament that having exclusive rewards like we used to is actually what makes people play, according to a lot of what I read. Are we dogs to be awarded with treats to push us playing, when playing should be the reward itself?

I find it pretty depressing to think about personally.

[Eisi]

I think you're misconstruing my comment. I never pointed specifically at high ranked players and the people getting the rewards. I have also been into top 100 feast, got a nice mount that I actually love, but if anybody wants to enjoy it too, please, be my guest and have fun?

I agree and it honors you that you don't care, but I have yet to read from a non-top 100 player that they want time-limited top 100 exclusive generic rewards.

Don't read into my mind either. I'm not in your strawman first side, by far. I am a low top ranking player that advocates for equality of access to rewards. Anybody can have even an ultimate reward. May be hard, may be almost impossible for some, but the content isn't going away and you can try. FOMO pvp is going away every time.

No, you are on the other side. The one who characterizes those who want top 100 rewards as having fragile egos.

And I lament that having exclusive rewards like we used to is actually what makes people play, according to a lot of what I read.

No to FOMO rewards, but

Are we dogs to be awarded with treats to push us playing, when playing should be the reward itself?

Yes to rewards. In a game where certain activities reward you with goodies, those which don't will be the least populated.

[Valence]

No, you are on the other side. The one who characterizes those who want top 100 rewards as having fragile egos.

I read nothing in what you wrote even talking about "characterizing those who want top 100 rewards as having fragile egos."

> "One side: Wants everything for everyone allegedly but WOULD have rewards limited to themselves if they weren't so incapable, so they demand handouts as their only way of getting anything."

I do not qualify for that group as I'm not incapable and have the rankings to prove it. Yet I demand collectivization of rewards.

> "Other side: Allegedly wants everything for themselves and others not to have shit. Only cares about virtual prestige and only achieves greatness to take away from others. Sociopaths are the only remaining contenders for top 100."

I do not quality for that group either, as I allegedly do not want everything for myself and other not to have shit. I also do not care about virtual prestige. How do I apply to that group again?

Conclusion: I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. I take offense at being misconstrued with either of those two groups, but I do not deny that I qualify for your last addition on fragile egos (that has nothing to do with those two groups).

Yes to rewards. In a game where certain activities reward you with goodies, those which don't will be the least populated.

Nobody argued against the removal of any reward. What you're doing here is a gigantic strawman.