Let's talk about Alliance roulette and ilvl cheese for a sec.

[Deveryn]

Oh, hello again, this topic.

You seem lost, I'll reunite you with your family:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...tte-Suggestion
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...o-MSQ-roulette
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nt-Thred-51234
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-is-unbearable
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nges-is-needed
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-adjustments

I hate to say it, but people have been complaining about this since..well before 2019. Dare I say, it's working as intended?

And since then, they've taken steps to encourage unlocking the other content. The relic made use of all the areas. Moogle events regularly highlight the 60+ alliance content.

That's about all we're going to get. They're not going to shuffle things around or adjust incentives.

It's interesting to look at all those and see a nearly 3 year gap... 5 threads since Endwalker, but not much in the way of support. The fact is there's more to this issue than the cheese and there's no simple solution that works for all. People would be better served simply doing the roulette less and finding an alternative because a change is not likely to come that quickly if they ever consider one.

[Deceptus]

Omg, just ask devs to be able to blacklist at least one or two Raids in Alliance Duty Roulette. That will solve the problem with CT.

They will never do this because the CT raids are tied with MSQ progression and they need as many people available for those as possible.

[Saraide]

Oh, hello again, this topic.

You seem lost, I'll reunite you with your family:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...tte-Suggestion
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...o-MSQ-roulette
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nt-Thred-51234
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-is-unbearable
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...nges-is-needed
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-adjustments

I hate to say it, but people have been complaining about this since..well before 2019. Dare I say, it's working as intended?

I wouldnt say it's intended, you're clearly going against the spirit of the roulette if you ilvl cheese. Not that I have a real problem with that but I dont agree on calling it working as intended.

[UkcsAlias]

Again, there is no problem. Read

Whether something is a problem is a personal oppinion. Your oppinion is not mine, hence i said 'so called' as it covers both sides. And i stated there was an exploit that needed fixing, as exploits need fixing

[Saraide]

Whether something is a problem is a personal oppinion. Your oppinion is not mine, hence i said 'so called' as it covers both sides. And i stated there was an exploit that needed fixing, as exploits need fixing

Unintended things in games do not need fixing on principle. Loads of "exploits" have made games over the years better experiences. Floating decorations is an exploit, would you say that requires fixing aswell?

[Themarvin]

it is simple to do such... with your character level, put ILEVEL restriction on Alliance Roulette based out from the level on the job you queu in for if you are level 60 and want to use it for XP then to be able to queu in you need the minimum ilevel for Dun Scaith... you can do that easy and the system of ilevel locks is in the game already and these are very much working as intended.

Simple as that... then you cant just drop all your gear but weapon and queu in alliance roulette, but would need to queu in at the minimum ilevel for your tiers max level 24 man raid at at least the minimum ilevel.

And nope, don't come at and say it would be too difficult all the gear needed can be bought for poetic tomes in which is the general gear currency for below level 90 gear.

[Deveryn]

it is simple to do such... with your character level, put ILEVEL restriction on Alliance Roulette based out from the level on the job you queu in for if you are level 60 and want to use it for XP then to be able to queu in you need the minimum ilevel for Dun Scaith... you can do that easy and the system of ilevel locks is in the game already and these are very much working as intended.

Simple as that... then you cant just drop all your gear but weapon and queu in alliance roulette, but would need to queu in at the minimum ilevel for your tiers max level 24 man raid at at least the minimum ilevel.

And nope, don't come at and say it would be too difficult all the gear needed can be bought for poetic tomes in which is the general gear currency for below level 90 gear.

It's actually not that simple and it goes against the design principle of roulette, which is to cover all unlocked duties. IL restrictions are for individual duties. Stop acting like cheese is the sole reason you end up with CT. It's affecting your ability to think about the overall issue.

[kaynide]

it is simple to do such... with your character level, put ILEVEL restriction on Alliance Roulette based out from the level on the job you queu in for if you are level 60 and want to use it for XP then to be able to queu in you need the minimum ilevel for Dun Scaith... you can do that easy and the system of ilevel locks is in the game already and these are very much working as intended.

Simple as that... then you cant just drop all your gear but weapon and queu in alliance roulette, but would need to queu in at the minimum ilevel for your tiers max level 24 man raid at at least the minimum ilevel.

And nope, don't come at and say it would be too difficult all the gear needed can be bought for poetic tomes in which is the general gear currency for below level 90 gear.

This wouldn't fix it. As is, my alts never unlock anything beyond the 2.0 raids. Regardless of iLVL requirements, they will never get 3.0 onwards for the raid roulette.

And I imagine many players are not so interested in raids similarly would prefer not to. My wife is a good example, she did some raids once to see the story, and has regretted unlocking them because there's nothing she wants or needs in them, yet she wants to do roulettes and get XP. She simply hasn't done 4.0 or 5.0 raids and basically never will. I doubt she will touch 6.0. Especially because she can watch me do them and I am happy to replay the story for her via the inn.

Simply doing iLVL requirements and cheesing is not the only issue. Some people just don't want to even unlock the later raids, and there isn't a need to force them to.

And again, beating the remaining pulp of what was a horse, the chance of getting the 2.0 raids are simply the highest because they are required for MSQ progression. Newer players are mostly going to just keep plowing through the story once they hit 50, then 60 and so on without stopping to do in between content until they've exhausted the MSQ. And then? Do they really even want to do Ivalis? really? As opposed to the tons of other side content available to unlock?

Sure, eventually. But in the meantime, it's CT series all day all night until they decide to do otherwise. It's not an exploit if they choose not to unlock optional content.

[UkcsAlias]

Unintended things in games do not need fixing on principle. Loads of "exploits" have made games over the years better experiences. Floating decorations is an exploit, would you say that requires fixing aswell?

Technicaly i would say the real fix then is implementing it as a true feature. Leaving it as it is might be convenient, but is far from optimal.

Note that rocket jumping in many FPS games is an exploit, that often just got renamed to a feature instead. No coding change needed here! The reason it became desired is because most of those games see it as a high risk/reward feature that initialy was unintended, but added greatly to the games.

Im not saying its impossible to keep it as it is, but in this case its simply not clear what is desired, and it causes these threads to repeatedly show up. And sure, they might still do that afterward, but that outcome differs every time when things change anyway. But in this case, why is there no implementation where you can set your desired ilvl for entering? That would still be a fix and preserve the current behaviour, and make it clear its intented.

There are soo many ways things can be handled, and in this case its clearly not optimal as it causes 2 groups to clash with both having equaly valid arguments.

Thats why i say that its an exploit that needs a fix. What the fix is, i have a personal oppinion. But the other way around can also be made as a fix, but in that case it should be made explicitly clear (promote players to use that feature).

Even in housing, idealy you do want people to be able to make things float, but note, they have fixed a lot of these things before! Its was clearly not intended (now all objects have to attach to something - and yes, if you then can make things float, you can call that intended). Its just that whatever is made, they dont want to destroy it. And there are still remainders of that (and not an issue since it wont hurt anyone except those that started on housing later and no longer can use the same exploit).

[kaynide]

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There's a saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Rocket jumping is a good example- there was no additional work to be done, so devs just left it in (and eventually built it into gameplay). This IS indeed common; even FFXI had Ninja (a DPS) turn into a tank role due to an exploit-loophole ability. All good!

In the case of this roulette situation, the Dev's lack of response should make their stance clear. It's working as they want it to work without need of additional development resources/time.

Currently, roulette's purpose is "Get bodies into dungeons so players queuing for a specific dungeon don't have to wait too long", that's it.

If certain dungeons aren't getting enough via their statistic checks, they try to entice more people to unlock/do them via mog-tomestones, or content gating (Bozja/Tataru's thing).

They know what they're doing, their silence on the issue speaks volumes.

Actually, I would also point to this:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...id#post5953621

A Bug report, moved to "Not a bug report". (Admittedly this is likely because the formatting is incorrect)