Let's talk about Alliance roulette and ilvl cheese for a sec.

[Avoidy]

lol. a boycott. what are you gonna do queue direct? (that's exactly what I've been suggesting )

Exactly this. Just avoid that roulette like the plague and queue the fun stuff directly. I doubt SE even reads these forums, but they'll probably notice a sudden drop in people running a specific roulette.
I'm avoiding it either way though, because alliance raid roulette is basically just crystal tower roulette and it sucks.

[Helbya]

I'll ask this again and maybe I'll get an answer this time.

What is it that's so important about running Alliance Roulette that things need to change in some of the ways being proposed? What's so special and unique in this roulette?

Alliance Roulette awards the second largest bonus of all roulettes, right behind MSQ and fairly close too. This is because Alliance raids tend to take longer that other duties since it has four bosses plus trash. However, this draws players to cheese it for the biggest reward for the lowest effort.
Personally Alliance raids are my favourite type of content. For Others it's one of the primary lvl 90 Tomestone collection roulettes, or for the exp bonus to level classes. In terms of levelling however, the exp from bosses is very significant when running a level appropriate raid, so there's a fair bit lost when stuck in CT vs Nier for example.

[RyuDragnier]

Also "guilty until proven innocent"?

Yeah I'm not gonna take anyone seriously if thats their line of thinking.

Innocent until proven guilty is mostly a US only thing. In most countries the court of public opinion will feel you're guilty, because if you're innocent you should be able to prove it. In my case, I just don't trust people, I've seen enough to expect the worst and have it proven right.

[Conadrium]

Most of us don’t care because we realize that’s not really the problem. The problem is crystal tower is the ONLY required raid and the lowest level one. So anyone level 50-59 is going to pull 23 other people into it every time they queue.

This extends to higher levels if those raids aren’t unlocked which applies to more people than you think.

[LaylaTsarra]

Check your party and look to see if you have a 50 level. Most of the times you will and you're just one party. I also believe that those that cheese don't pull a group into a 50 level raid they are simply paired with an alliance group which has low levels in it.

[Yeastyloins]

Not the only possible outcome. This will only happen if the number of people ilvl cheesing has reached a critical amount where they alone are enough to force CT runs that wouldnt have happened otherwise. If they havent reached that critical amount your chances of seeing CT will actually increase because ilvl cheesers can no longer force out non-cheesing people out of the many CT runs that would happen regardless.

If higher level alliance raids were happening, you would get them.

I'd rather it be determined by the job you are queuing into the roulette's actual level rather than the item level a person is wearing. Give higher level Alliance raids are larger reward; I'm talking you getting 2x the exp for doing a Nier raid vs CT. You're always going to have a higher chance to get CT because of the requirement of doing it ofc. But I'd like some variety in the braindead content I have do daily even though its braindead.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Innocent until proven guilty is mostly a US only thing. In most countries the court of public opinion will feel you're guilty, because if you're innocent you should be able to prove it. In my case, I just don't trust people, I've seen enough to expect the worst and have it proven right.

It has nothing to do with being political. I just dont believe we should start pointing fingers on things we cant confirm about. Its like when people jump into conclusions or form mob mentalities based on conjecture.

Just that mentality to me is another form of toxicity.

[Mika_Zahard]

Here's the thing, without ilevel cheese, people would be fine with getting CT raids because we know nobody is gaming the system to get them, and thus the people entering it actually need them. I get irritated as hell when I see CT raids, but the second I see the bonus for a new player, I cope with it because I know I'm helping somebody new through it. If I don't see that, I'm automatically assuming somebody cheesed to get them. Yes, I know relics use these constantly, but it's far more likely to believe somebody is actually in need of the place if there's no way to game what you're getting. Until then, guilty until proven innocent.

If you look on player search or in your party, you can easily see who's below 60 or who hasnt opened dun scaith..

[Deveryn]

Alliance Roulette awards the second largest bonus of all roulettes, right behind MSQ and fairly close too. This is because Alliance raids tend to take longer that other duties since it has four bosses plus trash. However, this draws players to cheese it for the biggest reward for the lowest effort.
Personally Alliance raids are my favourite type of content. For Others it's one of the primary lvl 90 Tomestone collection roulettes, or for the exp bonus to level classes. In terms of levelling however, the exp from bosses is very significant when running a level appropriate raid, so there's a fair bit lost when stuck in CT vs Nier for example.

This is mostly true, but my point is there's actually nothing to gain that you can't find elsewhere. Dungeon xp from the non-caps is the best bang for the buck. I would rank MSQ, PvP and leveling as the top 3, then alliance behind that. Alliance is a cap activity and therefore never offers xp until an expansion later, so it's not going to be the best option. Queueing roulette, you accept the potential consequences of that choice. As expansions keep getting added, that gap is going to widen and whether or not CT remains in the roulette, you'll still face the possibility of getting the low end bonus reward.

If people want the latest tomes, there are plenty of options out there. I've been casually working on my tomes for the manderville weapons and I have about 5 weapons to go. I never do MSQ roulette and I rarely do alliance.

If something really bothers you about the game, consider taking a break from it or reducing the frequency of that activity. Is it really what's bothering you or is something else stressing you out and you're just aggravating it by going through the roulette and coming up with CT? Alliance raids are a mixed bag for me. I tend to stay away, though I have to say even the CT stuff seems better these days. Recent runs have had rough patches, but they still get done in about 15 minutes.

[Gemina]

The ilv cheese is an exploit and needs to be done away with regardless of the situation with CT. How much this factors into throwing the majority of the playerbase into these raids time and time again when they use the roulette is purely anecdotal at this point, but we know it's a factor. The dev team is going to have to address this sooner or later as this is an actual problem. Reworking the raids or lowering the maximum ilv allowed so we have to deal with mechanics again are band-aid solutions that should be applied for the fun factor, not the ilv cheesing.

Curious. How many of you have actually got Aglaia when using the roulette? I've used alliance roulette at least 2-3 times per week since the raid was released into the roulette pool, and I haven't got it once.