When do you think they'll add cross-region data center travel? OCE is screwed!

[LianaThorne]

Building a new server may not be easy, but Dynamis has had it so much easier because people just DC travel if they can't queue for content or have high market board prices. All content is benefiting from people traveling to Dynamis as well. People looking for statics don't have to restrict themselves to Dynamis. All of that benefits the growth of Dynamis.

All advantages that Materia does not have because SE didn't do cross-region travel.

That doesn't help Dynamis by having people leave to another DC for queues or prices. Just putting that out there. We need people to stay on DC to help our queues and get our marketboard moving. I fail to see your point. I understand that Materia doesn't have DC travel but at the end of the day, if people are leaving and not staying on Dynamis then it sounds like the same situation as Materia to me. Those who moved to Dynamis should be staying on Dynamis while outside DCs can come help pop or buy things to help us get set up.

When our first round of housing ended, there were still thousands of houses available. It hasn't pulled people in droves the way you might think, as well.

[Jeeqbit]

That doesn't help Dynamis by having people leave to another DC for queues or prices. Just putting that out there.

It does because if they did not have the ability to leave Dynamis for pvp queues or better prices while it's growing, they would probably not stay on Dynamis at all.

We need people to stay on DC to help our queues and get our marketboard moving. I fail to see your point.

My point is that people are going to Dynamis via DC travel as well. They go there for hunt trains and S ranks. By leaving Dynamis via DC travel for raiding, they can return to do everything else. Statics on Dynamis can be filled by people from other data centers. I've already seen this happening.

[LianaThorne]

It does because if they did not have the ability to leave Dynamis for pvp queues or better prices while it's growing, they would probably not stay on Dynamis at all.

My point is that people are going to Dynamis via DC travel as well. They go there for hunt trains and S ranks. By leaving Dynamis via DC travel for raiding, they can return to do everything else. Statics on Dynamis can be filled by people from other data centers. I've already seen this happening.

- First point: Why not stay and help grow the pvp scene here with others who also enjoy it? There are people who want pvp in Dynamis, just no one is taking the main lead on getting it organized. When we had one organized by Revival we had queues going. Just need someone to take the wheel on it consistently and lead rather than leave and basically make pvp never happen on Dynamis.

- Second point: People coming and going for hunts doesn't help because they're not here to pop queues. Also, speaking as someone who was there on Day 1, we were running trains just fine with just the Dynamis crowd. Statics aren't my point here either because savage/ultimate only applies to a certain group of people. Daily roulette queues are something the majority uses and imo, if you moved to Dynamis you should be willing to be a part of helping the DC grow by doing your roulettes there (including frontline). If the people who are in Dynamis just dip to other places/put convenience as a priority..then how is that helping grow the DC by its own residents? Outside help is awesome but the people who moved there should be sticking around and helping. Otherwise it's literally just going to become a DC meant for housing and that's it.

[Jeeqbit]

Why not stay and help grow the pvp scene here with others who also enjoy it?

Because it doesn't benefit them to wait an hour for it. It takes time for the overall population to grow as sprouts make new characters and become veterans themselves who might queue for pvp and while that happens they can visit another DC instead of completely transferring away from Dynamis permanently. One way or another, I've seen people from Dynamis in pvp matches.

People coming and going for hunts doesn't help because they're not here to pop queues.

It does help because it means there are more people to kill them faster, which when I went there, it looked like this was helping because they were taking a lot longer to die than on other data centers. This is one of the things that helps prevent it from feeling dead and preventing Materia from feeling dead seems like it would be desirable.

[LianaThorne]

Because it doesn't benefit them to wait an hour for it. It takes time for the overall population to grow as sprouts make new characters and become veterans themselves who might queue for pvp and while that happens they can visit another DC instead of completely transferring away from Dynamis permanently. One way or another, I've seen people from Dynamis in pvp matches.

It does help because it means there are more people to kill them faster, which when I went there, it looked like this was helping because they were taking a lot longer to die than on other data centers. This is one of the things that helps prevent it from feeling dead and preventing Materia from feeling dead seems like it would be desirable.

-It doesn't benefit anyone to wait in a line for an hour but the point is to help foster growth on the new DC. Going to another one for convenience still leaves the original DC with the long wait times. You're also putting a lot of assumptions that new players are going to flock to Dynamis when the vast vast majority of sprouts are alts by other players. I actually remember a comment in NN a few nights ago by someone "Has anyone seen an ACTUAL sprout yet?"

New players are going to go where their friends are which (unless their friend is a vet who moved their main over) is most likely not Dynamis. It's safe to say that most made alts for housing because of how braindead it is to get one on Dynamis on top of not needing to actually take care of it because demo is still turned off. So, why would they need to actually play on the DC when they can just go back to their old one and worry about timers whenever demo comes back? Even so, there are still thousands of houses sitting with 0 bids.

Dynamis pop is on par with Materia, even with DC travel. It's insane how empty Limsa is on all servers but Seraph, especially in the mornings when servers like Adamantoise on Aether are constantly alive no matter what time it is.

My point basically is: If more people put in the effort to stick out times and take lead in the community to get things like frontline moving on a daily basis, queues would start moving quicker. The game also needs a burst of new players which isn't going to happen right now in a dead period between patches. Hell, might not even see it till 7.0

[Jeeqbit]

You're also putting a lot of assumptions that new players are going to flock to Dynamis when the vast vast majority of sprouts are alts by other players.

They are currently, but let me put it this way. Why would anyone make a character on Crystal after the DC split where everyone flocked to Aether?

Well people did make characters on Crystal - particularly a lot of WoW refugees did, because I met them constantly there. They just pick a data center at random and whichever world makes sense to them, unless they have a friend telling them which one to pick.

The Aether population was greater and it was obvious a lot of people had friends telling them to pick Aether, but there were those who picked Crystal and it has grown well over time.

I actually remember a comment in NN a few nights ago by someone "Has anyone seen an ACTUAL sprout yet?"

I tried inviting a lot of them without an FC to the Novice Network. A lot of them declined, but some of them didn't. I observe the same behaviour on other data centers, so it's hard to say, but I assumed if they were any higher than 50 they were probably people that transferred.

[DeNada]

They are currently, but let me put it this way. Why would anyone make a character on Crystal after the DC split where everyone flocked to Aether?

Well people did make characters on Crystal - particularly a lot of WoW refugees did, because I met them constantly there. They just pick a data center at random and whichever world makes sense to them, unless they have a friend telling them which one to pick.

The Aether population was greater and it was obvious a lot of people had friends telling them to pick Aether, but there were those who picked Crystal and it has grown well over time.

I tried inviting a lot of them without an FC to the Novice Network. A lot of them declined, but some of them didn't. I observe the same behaviour on other data centers, so it's hard to say, but I assumed if they were any higher than 50 they were probably people that transferred.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Crystal made up of existing worlds when the reshuffle happened?

If so, that's an apples to oranges comparison and should not be used as a reference to predict how Dynamis might turn out.

Instead, a more apt comparison would be to compare to Materia which is a data center comprised of completely new worlds and we all know how that turned out...

[Jojoya]

Also, speaking as someone who was there on Day 1, we were running trains just fine with just the Dynamis crowd.

Speaking as someone who was part of organizing and running those day 1 trains with one of the characters I transferred to Dynamis, I don't think you know how much assistance we were getting from Travelers. They weren't a big presence but they were (and still are) there when it comes to hunts. They're less active with train organization now but they've been a big help with S rank spawns since a lot of us are splitting time with setting up our new houses.

You are correct, though, when saying most of those coming for the hunts aren't also filling the duty queues. The number of Travelers in attendance most of the time is not really helping those kills go all that much faster. But that will change over time as both the world populations fill out with more higher level characters and players in general become more used to using Data Center Travel to do things with friends.

[Tigerlilley]

Speaking as someone who was part of organizing and running those day 1 trains with one of the characters I transferred to Dynamis, I don't think you know how much assistance we were getting from Travelers. They weren't a big presence but they were (and still are) there when it comes to hunts. They're less active with train organization now but they've been a big help with S rank spawns since a lot of us are splitting time with setting up our new houses.
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God. I wish Materia had community support and housing when it opened. It would have made a world of difference in helping the community get started. We were shafted from the beginning.

Feels bad man.