The lore of (what's probably) Eureka Orthos

[Lyth]

I only ever made it to the second zone of Eureka, because it was so tedious, so never had a chance to talk to said scholar in said location. Of course further details would be buried in there somewhere.

So where is it, then? And what's the hook, since the logical starting point, Heaven-on-High, isn't required? Perhaps we'll get a combo quest once you've beaten story mode on both? Hopefully clearing the whole-whole thing isn't made mandatory, since I'm always the odd-man-out for 4-man content.

I don't think you really need a 'hook' per se to explore a newly discovered section of the Crystal Tower. Let's be real, they could just have Rammbroes page us and we'd come running. It's the centerpiece of the game at this point.

This is more your area of expertise, but I don't recall HoH all providing that much additional information to Crystal Tower/Allag lore, outside of a loose reference to Desch and Salina to tie it all together. And while I'm sure G'raha will make an appearance, I'm guessing this will be more centered around Krile and her father's history. Otherwise you'd just cheat and scan G'raha to unlock the next floor. You might get some bonus dialogue for completing HoH or Eureka, though.

They always design the story such that it's complete before the challenge levels start, and completing the whole thing is usually just for glamour (which PoTD had the best). If it's really important to you, though, I don't think it will be difficult to put together a group to get to the top. I have to resist temptation and defer it for two weeks this time around, but I know there will be people still running it out of interest.

[WhiteArchmage]

God damnit, of COURSE it's a pun! Lesson learned, always start with the assumption it's a pun before going further.

Koji has trained the Loc team well.

[kaynide]

Geryon is the name of the hecatoncheir midboss in the Sil'dihn Subterrane, so I doubt they'd be planning to use it for something else significant so soon. But in any case...




I suspect you are going for a more obscure take than what is intended – orthos meaning "straight, upright, correct", thus "true Eureka".

Hadn’t done it yet, but good to know. Sounds like devs have been reading Greek mythology and are drawing on more fringe names, probably nothing more than that (like you said, using puns etc)

@Lyth: could be. I am curious what this Eureka actually is. Yeah it makes weapons, but are we talking a humanoid smith? A creature that belches out weapons? Mario RPG crossover giant sword monster?

[Cleretic]

Hadn’t done it yet, but good to know. Sounds like devs have been reading Greek mythology and are drawing on more fringe names, probably nothing more than that (like you said, using puns etc)

@Lyth: could be. I am curious what this Eureka actually is. Yeah it makes weapons, but are we talking a humanoid smith? A creature that belches out weapons? Mario RPG crossover giant sword monster?

I mean, we've seen the forge Eureka. It's a primal, and it looks like basically a really fancy cube. You only see it at the end of Hydatos, so fair enough that a lot of people haven't. There's no confirmed evidence that the primal Eureka and the Allagan Eureka were connected--the primal Eureka likely was given that name by the Sharlayans based on the same myth that led to the island getting the name, although we don't know that for sure--but the primal Eureka does go back to at least Allag, as that's where the first known Eurekan weapon-primal, Odin, was first recorded. So it's entirely plausible that they're connected, but it's not confirmed.

While we know very little of the primal Eureka's history beyond that, it can be surmised that sometime after Allag Mhach came across either it or its creations. On top of Proto-Ozma, the first bosses had abilities that looked awfully similar to some of Scathach's and Diabolos'.

[Fenral]

This is more your area of expertise, but I don't recall HoH all providing that much additional information to Crystal Tower/Allag lore, outside of a loose reference to Desch and Salina to tie it all together. And while I'm sure G'raha will make an appearance, I'm guessing this will be more centered around Krile and her father's history. Otherwise you'd just cheat and scan G'raha to unlock the next floor. You might get some bonus dialogue for completing HoH or Eureka, though.

It wasn't Heaven-on-High itself, exactly, but the implications that there's a shadow organization spread out across the world dedicated to keeping Allagan artifacts from being "misused," HoH being one such artifact. That information is only acquired during that particular quest chain, but it seems unlikely they wouldn't have a stake in Eureka, assuming it's anywhere other than Syrcus Tower. Some of G'raha's small talk during Endwalker's MSQ suggested the Corvosi G have a similar role (and it seems likely they could be one and the same). I don't think they'd turn all the Corovs setup into a Deep Dungeon, though.

I guess I'm still wondering where it is on the assumption that it's gone from "under CT" to "anywhere but under CT." I suppose the devs could finally make use of the Unfinal Coil entrance in Coerthas by the Mor Dhona zone wall.

[SannaR]

We wouldn't need to bring G'Raha to cheet scan. We still have his soul carrier. So we could just go with Krile and use that instead.

[Iscah]

I guess I'm still wondering where it is on the assumption that it's gone from "under CT" to "anywhere but under CT." I suppose the devs could finally make use of the Unfinal Coil entrance in Coerthas by the Mor Dhona zone wall.

Why are we assuming it isn't under CT? Nero's scanner picked up something down there that time-wise couldn't have been the Furure Ironworks portal device (as that was apparently only dropped there by the Exarch sometime after patch 3.4), and from the Twinning we know that there's an equally big door in "our" Syrcus Tower waiting to be cracked open. There's no reason to write it off yet.

We wouldn't need to bring G'Raha to cheet scan. We still have his soul carrier. So we could just go with Krile and use that instead.

Who said anything about needing him for practical reasons? We need him there because he's going to have the biggest history nerd geek-out since... well, since his previous geek-out at least. (Don't miss the opportunity to mention the Omega Jammer to him at Ultima Thule.)

But seriously. This is something he's been researching and looking to discover for years. It would be outright unfair to not involve him in the questline.

[Lyth]

True. We need Krile to lead the expedition, G'raha to geek out over the lore, and Alisaie to crack the password protection on any Allagan nodes that we encounter.

[Fenral]

Why are we assuming it isn't under CT? Nero's scanner picked up something down there that time-wise couldn't have been the Furure Ironworks portal device (as that was apparently only dropped there by the Exarch sometime after patch 3.4), and from the Twinning we know that there's an equally big door in "our" Syrcus Tower waiting to be cracked open. There's no reason to write it off yet.

I grant it is possible that it still could be under CT, but the NPC from other-Eureka Cleretic quoted in OP suggests otherwise. A flip-flop on the flip-flop on the flip-flop would absolutely be par for the course at this point.

But seriously. This is something he's been researching and looking to discover for years. It would be outright unfair to not involve him in the questline.

Yeah, which it's why it's weird to me that the Students are already occupied with Myths of the Realm. Unless Krile and G'raha are going to make like Thancred and Urianger during the Eden questline and bow out for some reason after the second raid (or maybe just G'raha). MSQ commuting is easy enough, but I don't even think Cid has managed a three-way commute between MSQ and two side-stories. It can still absolutely happen and this is just me getting hung up on meta excuses, even though I hate meta excuses.

[Cleretic]

Yeah, basically the only thing we do know about Eureka is that it's not where legend said it was 'supposed' to be. There's no reason for them to backtrack on that one, nor any evidence that they have (not that they really ever do that beyond 'it's okay they're not really dead'), so it's fair to assume that wherever it is, it's not under the Crystal Tower.